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I have never liked the ATR. That wing has always made me hinky. I feel so bad for everyone aboard that thing. As already said, horrific.
Yeah that's going to have been the worst bit.My first thought was that those pilots knew what was coming as they were fighting for control and had a long time to think about it.
This is not the case. Max gross hot day you can still climb. Flight on one engine is not unusually difficult. Turns into good engine only as typical.I was told that their single engine performance was momentary.
Because it's fun to speculate, I do not think this was an uncommanded feather or prop disc (fine) event.An ATR-72 with 62 people on board crashed today. The aircraft was filmed in a complete spin with virtually no forward airspeed.
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Because it's fun to speculate, I do not think this was an uncommanded feather or prop disc (fine) event.
My wild speculation is control's failure such as horizontal stabizer or elevator. Or crew was murdered.
A recent structure repair is very interesting. Hopefully the wreckage didn't burn up evidence. A stuck horizontal stabilizer or elevator would look like the video I expect.Speculated of course, but I'm pretty sure this was weather related or a structural problem. SIGMET reports show severe icing in the area. The aircraft suffered a tail strike in March that resulted in structural damage.
I'm leaning more towards a stall that was icing induced.
I have no problem running in panic if that's what it takes.A recent structure repair is very interesting. Hopefully the wreckage didn't burn up evidence. A stuck horizontal stabilizer or elevator would look like the video I expect.
Ice induced stall I gather can happen if crew ignore POM and select flaps at hold or any low airspeed during icing. This results in ice formation aft of the pneumatic de-ice boots. Horizontal stabilizer has boots as well. So does vertical. I think icing of elevators to the point of jamming is possible but only if crew insist on staying in severe icing a long time. Smashing the elevator controls I think would look like this crash. I can say if I was crew and that happened, I tell everyone to run forward. Yes I know that's silly.
A recent structure repair is very interesting. Hopefully the wreckage didn't burn up evidence. A stuck horizontal stabilizer or elevator would look like the video I expect.
Ice induced stall I gather can happen if crew ignore POM and select flaps at hold or any low airspeed during icing. This results in ice formation aft of the pneumatic de-ice boots. Horizontal stabilizer has boots as well. So does vertical. I think icing of elevators to the point of jamming is possible but only if crew insist on staying in severe icing a long time. Smashing the elevator controls I think would look like this crash. I can say if I was crew and that happened, I tell everyone to run forward. Yes I know that's silly.
The ATR has known issues with icing and the operating manuals reflect this. Stay within the limits in the operating manuals and the dangers are minimised.This event now speculated as an icing related LOC, which is plausible. IMO, certification of all pax aircraft should require demonstrated ability to recover from all flight conditions such as Icing, Stall, Spin, etc. Furthermore, TP aircraft seem to dice with lethal icing on a daily basis, so their ability to avoid or cope with this problem should be improved beyond the present certification requirements, or do we just accept the regular TP fatal accidents as a price to pay?
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