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You inadvertently expose your lack of nous once more, for anyone else on this forum, I could have (and did) omit 'single-engined, single-seat...' If that hasn't deterred you, provide us with a detailed expose on how you think the Mosquito would have fared in the daylight bomber escort role against an as-yet undented Luftwaffe.who is hiding? If the pilot doesn't know who hit him how does anyone else. Douglas Bader said he was shot down by a german it was almost certainly another Spitfire......he peeled off a flight of Bf109s and was shot...the other Spitfire pilot seeing a flight of 109s took out the last one assuming it was also a 109 ......the pilot claimed a 109 except the Luftwaffe didn't lose one in that area that day
I suspect you have missed my point. In any other context, you would be correct but air combat history was not written off the backs of pilots who stated simply "I got hit - sorry, never saw the guy". It is the intelligence gleaned from surviving pilots combat reports that forms history and alot of it is statistical; you would find it most useful in corroborating statements and even in tempering some of the statements you make.
I think the first top line fighter over Berlin was the Mosquito
and this was where? directly underneath the combat? Or all over SE England? Was there a probability density function of falling spent cases peaking over the capital or can we assume uniform distribution over, say, Kent? This stuff is straight out of a boys-own comic, you would NOT want to get hit on the head by a falling spent case from a cannon but you'd probably have more chance of being killed and eaten by a lion in Piccadilly CircusSince you love stats calculate for example a big wing in the Battle of Britain 50 Hurricanes with 8 brownings engaging a similar number of Bf109s with 2 guns and 1 cannon and defensive fire from 30 bombers.
Calculate what?
Farmers put covers on their tractors as the bullets and casings still stung ...it was literally like rain..
that as wellOr finding a circus in Picadilly Circus..
I don't know what point you're making here
and this was where? directly underneath the combat? Or all over SE England? Was there a probability density function of falling spent cases peaking over the capital or can we assume uniform distribution over, say, Kent? This stuff is straight out of a boys-own comic, you would NOT want to get hit on the head by a falling spent case from a cannon but you'd probably have more chance of being killed and eaten by a lion in Piccadilly Circus
please do some research.. the men equipment and munitions required to provide air defence for the ruhrgebeit berlin munich and all other centres was equivalent to another front, it would be in interesting question as to who used most explosives the allies dropping them or the germans firing them in the air. A large part of gun manufacture was used to defend the homeland rather than fighting on east or west.
This discussion is dissapearing up its own behind.....I must admit I dont see any connection between a sopwith camel and the russians....I do see a connection between and advanced jet ( eurofighter) and a ww1 plane (camel) similarly the me262 was advanced for its day but against huge numbers of mustangs (at high altitude) and tempests thunderbolts etc etc at low altitude it had no chance. as can be seen today in afghanistan technology can only go so far even a JSF can be taken out by a guy with a kalashnikov
and this was where? directly underneath the combat? Or all over SE England? Was there a probability density function of falling spent cases peaking over the capital or can we assume uniform distribution over, say, Kent? This stuff is straight out of a boys-own comic, you would NOT want to get hit on the head by a falling spent case from a cannon but you'd probably have more chance of being killed and eaten by a lion in Piccadilly Circus
Front's have a Main Line of Resistance. Flak artillary, German U-Boats, Luftwaffe Jagd Gerschwader constitutes forces deplyed - not a 'front'.
in context of high explosive (or equivalent) being equivalent to another 'Front', how would place into context the Enola Gay on August 6, 1945??
If an Me 262 flew in a straight line at 26,000 feet, heading due north at 1200 hours from Munich - how many Mustangs would it encounter? It Depends?
Yes. It depends on how many Mustangs will intersect his vector - in how many cubic miles of empty airspace - in visual range. Increase the density and place the Me 262 with a minimum 100kt/hr speed advantage onto a populated bomber stream. Will it encounter Mustangs? It 'Depends'? Many 8th AF fighter pilots failed to encounter 262's or even see them.
Abuse, the last bastion of the defeated. The maths is so much more fun when you do itlol @ probability density function...
You have a weird sense of humour
FYI 50 hurricanes carried 133200 bullets that is 266200 bullets and cases
Thanks, I didn't know that
300 aircraft would drop 1,500,000 bullets and cases down below in 14 seconds of firing
Hmm your maths breaks down somewhere but assuming of course that no German aircraft were shot down during the Battle of Britain you could be on to something...
at the height of the battle pilots were flying 6-8 sorties per day so if you say 300 planes defending SE England doing 6 sorties a day that is circa 10 million per day....and you don't believe anyone got hit on the head...
Don't recall making that claim though I did deride the odds..
now you do the math for the Luftwaffe you chump
...eh bonny lard? Dunno what the stuff about Enola Gay or vectors is about...have you been drinking?
lol @ probability density function...FYI 50 hurricanes carried 133200 bullets that is 266200 bullets and cases 300 aircraft would drop 1,500,000 bullets and cases down below in 14 seconds of firing
at the height of the battle pilots were flying 6-8 sorties per day so if you say 300 planes defending the south of england kent sussex area doing 6 sorties a day that is circa 10 million per day....and you dont believe anyone got hit on the head...now you do the math for the luftwaffe you chump
Firstly I was being entirely tongue in cheek when mentioning the mosquito...they were bombers not the fighter variant but they did get under Goerings skinYou inadvertently expose your lack of nous once more, for anyone else on this forum, I could have (and did) omit 'single-engined, single-seat...' If that hasn't deterred you, provide us with a detailed expose on how you think the Mosquito would have fared in the daylight bomber escort role against an as-yet undented Luftwaffe.
6-8 sorties per day???
Got proof!
that means the aircraft is airborne for 8 hrs a day now if you add turn arounds of 15 - 20 minutes that means 11-12 hours , thats not even including snagsMilosh you obviously havnt read much so instead of so instead of posting "got proof" go read a book....june july in UK has daylight hours of 4AM to 9.30PM and BTW many german fighters were doing the same
Abuse, the last bastion of the defeated. The maths is so much more fun when you do it
that means the aircraft is airborne for 8 hrs a day now if you add turn arounds of 15 - 20 minutes that means 11-12 hours , thats not even including snags
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