Yikes
China's Navy seems to be getting a bit bold
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Yikes
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GrauGeist
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I just watched a vidcap taken by the Philippine Cutter (in Philippine waters) and that Philippine skipper manouvered that Cutter like a boss.
The fact that a Chinese Coast Guard ship AND a Chinese Navy Destroyer were trying to ram a Philippine ship in their own sovereign waters is disturbing.
Admiral Beez
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GrauGeist
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The Purple line indicates the internationally recognized territory of the Philippines.
The Yellow and Green are Malaysia and Brunei respectively.
Blue is Vietnam's.
The Red line, however, is what China claims.
Admiral Beez
Major
Indeed, that's what the legend tells us.
This region was a lot simpler one hundred years ago, when in 1925 everything in SEA was either British, American, French, Dutch or Japanese, with a little Thai and ROC thrown in, and generally at peace.
The last Chinese naval adventures reminded me of the Russian Navy and Border Guard (the branch of FSB) evolving behaviour in the recent past.
Just three incidents.
1. 2009. M/v New Star was sunk by a Russian patrol ship after a long chase in the Sea of Japan. The crew escaped in life rafts, and the Russian ship just watched as one raft overturned. No attempts were made to launch their boats and help people in the water. At least 7 people died.
en.wikipedia.org
2. 2013. Russian FSB high-speed boat chased and rammed a Ukrainian fishing boat in the Azov Sea. When a fishing boat was rammed and capsized, the Russian crew just threw some life buoys in the water, watched and waited. Only one Ukrainian fisherman survived; four died.
View: https://youtu.be/X0N_7Xg1yfw?si=Fn8wtDfFgSXi1CcN
3. 2019. Attack on Ukrainian Navy ships near Kerchen Strait. Ramming of the slow old Ukrainian tugboat. Hysterical shouts on the bridge of the Russian ship are heard in this video.
View: https://youtu.be/9k39pB0O27s?si=5X4d8HFiUAl7JTse
Later, in the night, this tugboat and two Ukrainian patrol boats were fired upon by the Russian Navy and aircraft, damaged and captured.
Just three incidents.
1. 2009. M/v New Star was sunk by a Russian patrol ship after a long chase in the Sea of Japan. The crew escaped in life rafts, and the Russian ship just watched as one raft overturned. No attempts were made to launch their boats and help people in the water. At least 7 people died.
New Star incident - Wikipedia
2. 2013. Russian FSB high-speed boat chased and rammed a Ukrainian fishing boat in the Azov Sea. When a fishing boat was rammed and capsized, the Russian crew just threw some life buoys in the water, watched and waited. Only one Ukrainian fisherman survived; four died.
View: https://youtu.be/X0N_7Xg1yfw?si=Fn8wtDfFgSXi1CcN
3. 2019. Attack on Ukrainian Navy ships near Kerchen Strait. Ramming of the slow old Ukrainian tugboat. Hysterical shouts on the bridge of the Russian ship are heard in this video.
View: https://youtu.be/9k39pB0O27s?si=5X4d8HFiUAl7JTse
Later, in the night, this tugboat and two Ukrainian patrol boats were fired upon by the Russian Navy and aircraft, damaged and captured.
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
According to China, the collision between two of their ships is actually America's fault.
Who knew?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/14/asia/us-navy-ships-disputed-south-china-sea-shoal-intl-hnk-ml
Who knew?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/14/asia/us-navy-ships-disputed-south-china-sea-shoal-intl-hnk-ml
special ed
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America's fault - in particular, Trump's fault.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
According to my ex, everything is my fault.
Viking1066
Major
Our exs must have attended the same training school.
Admiral Beez
Major
They remind me of pre-ww1 Germany, where I see similarities between Kaiser Wilhelm II's Germany before World War I and Xi Jinping's China of the 2020s. I see both of them ignoring the advice of their industrial leaders to focus on trade, and instead pursuing their nations' "place in the sun", and building colonies and expanding their navies in ways that needlessly antagonize former friends (Britain in Germany's case, the United States in China's) while driving former adversaries closer together (Britain with France and Russia) and the China driving the Philippines to re-open military bases to the U.S.
IMO, China's needless naval arms race with the United States mirrors the Anglo-German naval rivalry of the early 1900s. Just as Britain doubled down on alliances with France and Russia, the U.S. is strengthening ties with Japan, the Philippines, Australia, and now India through QUAD and AUKUS. And then there's the pursuit of needless colonies. In Germany's case, industrialists like Krupp often warned Wilhelm that antagonizing Britain and pursuing colonies could disrupt trade, but Wilhelm pressed ahead with Weltpolitik. China's building of artificial islands, installing missile systems, and asserting the Nine-Dash Line claim has equally antagonized China's neighbors and strong trading partners in the Philippines, Vietnam, and Malaysia. China's business leaders are voicing similar sentiments to the Kaiser's critics, including Jack Ma, who has said that aggressive "wolf warrior" diplomacy risk foreign investment and export markets. Predictably, Ma vanished from public view for months in 2021, reportedly under state supervision, until reappearing in a much more subdued form.
Germany did not need a battlefleet in the 1890s and 1900s. It was a growing economic powerhouse with no threats to its maritime trade. The same can be said for China today and the expanding PLAN.
Warspite63
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She's right - it is. Sorry
