SaparotRob
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Both Moskva class helicopters, the 4 Kievs and the Kuznetsov were all built in Soviet Black Sea shipyards and subsequently left.Yes, I didn't mean the carrier. More like a single PLAN destroyer would enter the Black Sea to make a short visit.
It is interesting that the only carrier I've ever heard of transiting the Bosporus, the out of commission, uncompleted Varag (arguably stolen from Ukraine) is now serving in the PLAN as the Liaoning.
They definitely have the smokiest carrier of all time. Are they using old tires for fuel? Mazut - WikipediaI never tire of Russia's navies antics.
The USS Sable and USS Wolverine were USN training aircraft carriers stationed on the Great Lakes during WWII. They never operated at sea.I was not aware of freshwater carriers, assumed they had desalinization systems.
I learn something new every dayThe USS Sable and USS Wolverine were USN training aircraft carriers stationed on the Great Lakes during WWII. They never operated at sea.
As far as the Wolverine's coal-fire exhaust pictured above, she's not under full steam, so the plume would be light.
Would the US, Britain or France welcome a PLAN visit? Imagine a Chinese CV arriving to New York City, like HMS Queen Elizabeth below.
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The Kuznetsov, in spite of it's interesting hybrid propulsion system, never deploys without it's sea-going tugboat like the Nikolay Chiker.
It's a bit disingenuous to protest the arrival of the Chinese navy whilst wearing Chinese-made clothing and waving a Chinese-made cell phone.The Chinese would whine about the welcoming protests.
It's a bit disingenuous to protest the arrival of the Chinese navy whilst wearing Chinese-made clothing and waving a Chinese-made cell phone.
I wonder if a paddle wheel carrier can rotate in place? One wheel forward, one turning backward?They were paddle wheel steamers.
Some of North America's top cellphones are made in Taiwan, South Korea and Japan....and waving a Chinese-made cell phone.
And India. The move out of China, is IMO a positive trend.Some of North America's top cellphones are made in Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.
I also wonder what level of tech is being used on the PLAN carriers and larger warships overall. I assume much of the tech is either stolen or attempted copies of Western systems. China's latest large >10k-ton destroyers, the Type 055 look impressive from the outside. But how do they compare against a Japanese Maya-class, for example?While the Chinese Navy is the largest, the bulk of their Navy is coastal patrol boats (about 127).
To be fair we stole tea, the fork, gunpowder, the compass, fireworks and the umbrella from China. I'm reading a book right now on tea and how the Chinese refused to sell any tea plants to the British, so the Brits sent in special ops to smuggle tea plants out of China and into India, where once there was not a single tea plant, and by the 1880s there were tea plantations across northern India.I have absolutely no doubt that some of their tech has been stolen from the U.S., Japan and South Korea.