Compass mount

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In our museum, we have a display case of "orphan" items. We know what each item is (at least we think we do), but we have no other parts it relates to, so it in an "orphan." One such item is a "Compass Mount -- Magnetic compass mounting bracket from a British Lancaster bomber." At least that's what the little sign with it says. I confess that I made that sign many years ago, on the say-so of somebody else (maybe aviation artist David Gray?). Just last week, our President asked me if I would make a fixture so it would stand up properly. I told him I would, and make a better sign as well.

A couple days ago I set out to build the fixture, but then realized I don't know the proper orientation for the item. Which way is up? Which is front or back? I could make a guess, but I would like to be sure. Where was it located in the airplane? What did it look like with a compass in it? (Maybe I have a proper magnetic compass for it.) So I went to the internet and searched. I couldn't find a picture, so I still don't know how to proceed. Using the c3446
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46 number cast into the main body, I did get reference to an Avro Lancaster bomber, so I think that's the right track. But I sure would like a picture, both for orientation, and to use on the new descriptive sign.

I took several different view pictures of the item, with a ruler in the foreground for size. It's roughly 4 inches wide x 6 inches tall x 5 inches deep (if that's the correct orientation). Besides the cast-in number, there is a number printed on it in black ink, 883, and on the gray collar there is a partial scale of some sort, and the letter A, maybe a /, space, and then 345. There is something before the A, but the paint is gone. The main piece and the gray collar are aluminum, but the fasteners are all steel (magnetic). That's odd, because fasteners around magnetic compasses are usually brass (non-magnetic). One last point: The mounting holes in the gray collar are elongated, so it can be rotated maybe 10 degrees. Compass adjustment or compensation???

I used a real camera to take the pictures; not my cell phone. That's how I got so close to the numbers. It would be really nice if one of you could come up with pictures of the item, how/where it was mounted, and maybe with a compass in it. Thank you for your help. Merry Christmas ----- Larry
 

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IIMHO it is not for a magnetic compass, I believe it is the Standard base (AFT unit) with a mount for the Astro Compass Mk.II. It is similar to the 6A/366 also used for the device. It could be mounted on any large RAF bomber and transport kite and also the USA aircraft that had the Astro station/dome for the astro-navigation. What is more the base and the Astro Compass were also made in the USA. The Astro Compass Mk.II itself was usually stored in a protective wooden or bakelite case when not in use. The "Standard" mounting base was a permanent fixture in the aircraft.

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the pic source: the net.
 
Finding of a pic may be a trouble because the Astro Compass could be used with a bubble sextant interchangeably. The sextant didn't need a such mount and base because it was handheld device or hanged from a hook in the top of the astrodome mostly. But I can try to find something.
Generally, the Astro Compas had should be mounted on a flat, horizontal surface according to the device handbook. Because the view at the Sun or stars is required for the type of compass , a window is needed for that. For the reason the device was either mounted at the astrodome or in the cockpit.
 
Here is a such mount for the B-17 ... the B-24, B-25, B-29 or C-47 and other kites with the kind of astrodome could have the same type of the mount.

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and here the exposure of the base ... from the astro compass handbook ...

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BTW ... the British Air Ministry reference number of your part is 106A/345.
 
Hello Wurger,

All the information you provided really got me thinking. First, I went to the museum and found that we do indeed have an Astro Compass. We even have the original carrying case. I brought the Astro Compass home and installed it on the mount that you correctly identified. See attached picture. ..... But then I recalled that I also saw a sextant, with the bracket/hook that it hangs from. See the sextant picture, also attached. So now I have gone from one improperly identified compass mount to 5 items, all related to celestial navigation. Such good progress! Now my plan to to create a Celestial Navigation display with all 5 items together. We like it very much when we can put several related items together to tell a story that museum visitors can understand. Thank you so much for getting me pointed in the right direction on this one.

Larry
 

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Hello Wurger,

All the information you provided really got me thinking. First, I went to the museum and found that we do indeed have an Astro Compass. We even have the original carrying case. I brought the Astro Compass home and installed it on the mount that you correctly identified. See attached picture. ..... But then I recalled that I also saw a sextant, with the bracket/hook that it hangs from. See the sextant picture, also attached. So now I have gone from one improperly identified compass mount to 5 items, all related to celestial navigation. Such good progress! Now my plan to to create a Celestial Navigation display with all 5 items together. We like it very much when we can put several related items together to tell a story that museum visitors can understand. Thank you so much for getting me pointed in the right direction on this one.

Larry


Great. Is the astro compass USA made? I'm asking because the base ref. no. seems to be of a part made in the USA. Looking at the number 106A/345 I've gotten the impression that it is a number given by the Air Ministry to parts not made in the Britain as they use the 6A/366 for the standard. I found a page of a document where the US made astro compasses by Sperti Inc. and W.W. Boes Co. had the British Ref No. 106A/1088 while the one made in GB had the AM Ref. No. 6A/1174. BTW .. the Astro Compases were also made in the Canada. But it seems these had the ref no. started with the 6A prefix. For the reason the B-17, B-24 and C-47 and other US kites with a navigator as the crew member are more likely than the Avro Lancaster.

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And here the Lancaster astrodome and the bubble sextant hanged in there ...

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VUCCCWCEeQ
 

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