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How did the Firefly compare to the FR47 for landing accidents.
The Firefly FR1 stalled at 63 knots [showing the advantages of it's F-Y flaps] versus 71 for the Seafire 47 and this would have been advantageous on a slow carrier. However, I don't have sortie loss and damage rates for the two types whilst they operated from HMS Triumph off Korea. I do know, from one source, that the Seafire squadron flew 360 sorties.
I don't know the maximum speed of Triumph off Korea but it was likely less than 20 knots. HMS Theseus which replaced Triumph was only capable of 22 knots, which declined during her period of operations.
Hey, wait a minute! Corsairs on jeep carriers? That could get ugly real quick. I'd like to see sources on that one. In all my years of looking at WWII photos I've never seen one of Corsairs on a jeep. It was tight enough for FM2s and TBMs, and their approach speed handling was much less tricky than the F4U. My uncle flew TBMs ("Turkeys" he called them) off jeeps sub hunting in the Atlantic. He said the Turkey had the best handling at the slowest speed of any plane in the fleet. He carrier qualed in a TBM on a converted paddle wheel steamboat on Lake Michigan. The jeep carrier seemed like a step up to a "real" ship.Corsair I-IV stalling speed was 76 knots (per Pilot's Notes). AFAIK they did operate from escort carriers (max. speed 15 to 20 knots).
Hey, wait a minute! Corsairs on jeep carriers? That could get ugly real quick. I'd like to see sources on that one. In all my years of looking at WWII photos I've never seen one of Corsairs on a jeep. It was tight enough for FM2s and TBMs, and their approach speed handling was much less tricky than the F4U. My uncle flew TBMs ("Turkeys" he called them) off jeeps sub hunting in the Atlantic. He said the Turkey had the best handling at the slowest speed of any plane in the fleet. He carrier qualed in a TBM on a converted paddle wheel steamboat on Lake Michigan. The jeep carrier seemed like a step up to a "real" ship.
Cheers,
Wes
Corsair I-IV stalling speed was 76 knots (per Pilot's Notes). AFAIK they did operate from escort carriers (max. speed 15 to 20 knots).
I stand corrected, and thanks for the info. And who do we have to thank for this foolishness? Wouldn't you know; Marines! Go for broke, and to hell with the casualties.Corsairs did operate from escort carriers and when they did they had the same problem as Seafires, namely wrinkling of airframes from the stress of low carrier speed landings:
It surely wasn't the Corsair!Which plane was easier to control at stall speeds?
Got two reports to show you all. One on the Corsair, other on the Spitfire.
(http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/f4u/f4u-1-detail-specification.pdf)
When this report said high speed, did it mean indicated airspeed or true airspeed?
(Spitfire Mk VB W.3134 Report)
What power setting did the mkv spitfire use to achieve a climb of 3250ft/min (normal, military etc...)?
Also, what the main difference between Military & WEP?
What power setting did the mkv spitfire use to achieve a climb of 3250ft/min (normal, military etc...)?
Also, what the main difference between Military & WEP?
^^^ What he said.
Besides, although your mileage may vary, I'd take the P-51B/C D or H any day over the F4U, but that's just my opinion.
The Spitfire was using "continuous climb" rating, Usually a 30 min to 1 hour rating, For the Merlin 45 this was 1200hp at 16,000ft and a bit less below that as the throttle had to be partially shut at lower altitudes to keep from over boosting.
Military rating is an American rating and was usually comparable to take-off power. For a good part of the war it was a 5 minute rating but some engines had it raised to 15 minutes part way through the war.
Military power was also the power the engine made at it's best altitude with the throttle wide open. Any higher and the thinner air caused the power to drop. Any lower and the throttle had to be closed to prevent over boosting and damage to the engine.
The US of Military power did not require any extra maintenance procedures. WEP came into use (American) in late 1942 and 43 (depending on engine) and was achieved by opening the throttle below the best altitude (or Full Throttle Height /FTL ) or critical altitude. However the throttles were often fitted with tell tales (wires) which when broken signaled ground crew to perform extra maintenance checks. ALL use of WEP was to be noted in long books to determine adjustments to the engines overhaul life.
The Spitfire V was allowed to use 3000rpm and 12lbs boost in combat normal. at some point after this test. as a 5 minute rating and was finally allowed to use 3000rpm and 16lbs of boost (for 3 minutes) as the British equivalent of WEP. However the engine could only hold 16lbs to 11,000ft.
horsepower was 1515 though.
You might want to look at this test:
Spitfire Mk V AA.878 Report
and please note it was done about 2 months before the Corsair first saw combat.
Actually the fairest comparison in terms of the timeline is the spitfire XIV and the corsair, since continual references are being made to the later marks of the corsair.
FYI, to the best of my knowledge (at this time).
A/C - engine - operational date.
F4U-1 - R-2000-8/54" - Sept. 42