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Sal Monella said:More on the Pratt Whitney R-2800-C Series engine that was the powerplant in the P-47M and N models.
"During durability testing of the C series R-2800 by Republic, it was decided to find out at what manifold pressure and carburetor temperature caused detonation. The technicians at Republic ran the engine at extreme boost pressures that produced 3,600 hp! But wait, it gets even more amazing. They ran it at 3,600 hp for 250 hours, without any failure! This was with common 100 octane avgas. No special fuels were used. Granted, the engines were largely used up, but survived without a single component failure. Try this with Rolls Royce Merlin or Allison V-1710 and see what happens."
http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Seversky-Republic7.html
Sal Monella said:In the field, it was common for the P-47 mechanics to modify the engines to increase output. I heard that some P-47 N's were putting out over 3,000hp at WEP. That extra power must have come in handy when loaded down with fuel and ordinance.
The P-47N's maximum take off weight was 20,700lbs. (twice the maximum take off weight for a Spitfire XIV)
wmaxt said:You can also ask Flyboy just how encourging the services are about going beyong the Tech Orders. I know things were a little different in WWII but they were pretty careful what they did.
wmaxt
cheddar cheese said:I always thought that H style engines were problematic and unreliable? BRM tried a H format in 66/67 in F1 and it was plagued by unreliablity and lack of power...How did the Napier engine differ?
My dad was an Air Force Crew Cheif he still cringes at the thought of putting a performance aircleaner in his car!
FBJ:
Recips provide avenues for you to "tweek." Advance ignition timing, shave piston heads, valve timing changes, removing air filters, even shortening of propellers I've heard been tried.
Jets are very rigid in their set up and maybe the only thing you might try to play with airframe wise is changing the CG for better cruise speed and performance
schwarzpanzer said:cheddar cheese said:I always thought that H style engines were problematic and unreliable? BRM tried a H format in 66/67 in F1 and it was plagued by unreliablity and lack of power...How did the Napier engine differ?
That was a W16 that BRM tried IIRC.
schwarzpanzer said:Recips provide avenues for you to "tweek." Advance ignition timing, shave piston heads, valve timing changes, removing air filters, even shortening of propellers I've heard been tried.
I wouldn't do any of those on a road engine,they'd drastically reduce life expectancy to mere hours! I don't know about the last one though and the valve timing I suppose could be altered.
schwarzpanzer said:Jets are very rigid in their set up and maybe the only thing you might try to play with airframe wise is changing the CG for better cruise speed and performance
I don't understand thatCould you please explain?
helmitsmit said:Firstly, the 2800 radial and other like it, were 50+litre engines! whereas the Merlin and sabres were only 25-30 litres.
Rolls royce actually tested the merlin at over 3000hp as part of its development. The sabre opperated at 4500rpm where other engines barely made 3000rpm. This is because the sabre used sleeved cylinders live Bristol engines like the Pegasus and Hercules
helmitsmit said:My point was that they produced more hp per cubic inch of fuel. The Sabre was the first Hybrid engine
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:I would either want a DB-605D rated at 2000HP, a BMW-801 rated at 1730HP, a Pratt Whitney R-2800-77 Double Wasp rated at 2800HP, or a Allison V-1710-111/113 rated at 1600HP.