Earhart's Plane Found?! (1 Viewer)

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Yeah, that's my first thought as well.
But you never know, I don't know this program of his and I saw good results coming from research projects with data that was even more unreliable.

I stumbled upon this site and thread quite by accident.
I must say, I am impressed with the quality of the comments on this topic.
I though you might be interested in a rebuttal I wrote challenging Jantz's and TIGHAR's finding.

Les Kinney
 

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Nice article. It really confirms how economical with the truth and selective in its use of the scant data available TIGHAR can be.

As one with a scientific background myself I find it depressing how easily and 'authoritative' opinions can be bought from 'experts' in just about any field.

Cheers

Steve
 
The operative word here is "opinion" and any scientist is always at a disadvantage in an debate with a non.
E.G.: Can you flip a coin and get 1000 heads in a row? Well...yes, it is possible.
Only the actual bones can answer the question and they have so conveniently disappeared. Unfortunately with any biological question there are seldom absolutes. I knew that she had had surgery but had no idea it had been that severe
 
Only the actual bones can answer the question and they have so conveniently disappeared. Unfortunately with any biological question there are seldom absolutes.

Not just the bones, but the contrary opinions of other medical professionals who examined them. TIGHAR simply ignores that they were considered male, came from an individual somewhat shorter than Earhart, were older than the date when she and Noonan met their demise and, in the case of the skull, did not show very obvious signs of a medical procedure which Earhart had undergone.
It's not just buying an opinion. It's ignoring a mountain of contrary evidence, or massaging it to suit a different narrative, and buying a dishonest opinion.

I would suggest that the evidence does not support the conclusion, "this analysis reveals that Earhart is more similar to the Nikumaroro bones than 99% of individuals in a large reference sample" but the exact opposite. They could have been from any number of other people but almost certainly not from a Caucasian woman about 5'8" tall

Cheers

Steve
 
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I have a strong tendency to agree with you. TIGAR certainly has an agenda and after so much time, energy, and money spent it is near impossible for them to just walk away.
The skull would certainly settle things one way or another but drawings and measurements made by Hoodless are questionable. The skull had its right zygoma and malar bones broken off which could obscure the operation on that side, so again more questions than answers
 

To make it clear, TIGHAR would have you believe since the right zygoma and malar bone was broken off it would be impossible to see the results of the Caldwell-Luc procedure. Not necessarily true. It would depend if the whole cheek bone was missing. Doctors Isaac and Hoodless surely would have mentioned that in their analysis?



The Doctors described five teeth still intact but didn't say where they remained.
Regardless, it's a moot point. Earhart had this procedure on both sides of her skull. As I mentioned in the paper, the results of this procedure would have been immediately observed by a five year old. I find it unusual that Dr. Jantz, who has had a working relationship with TIGHAR for over 10 years, never mentioned the skull in his analysis.

As you correctly mention, TIGHAR can't walk away from Gardner.
 
Steve, Gillespie is no different than anyone else who, in effect, dedicate their lives to some particular idea/cause no matter what it might be. It's your pet and you've dedicated years of your life, large amounts of money (yours & others), your reputation, ... It soon becomes literally impossible to reverse course and say "I forked up!!" Tighar is Gillespie's particular tiger and he has to ride it...and natchurally they all do it in supreme comfort.
I worked for several years in the '70s at Fermilab in Batavia, IL. I met and spoke many times with Leon Lederman (Lab director at the time and a Nobel Prize winner) he and his "girlfriend" (high society wife lived in New York) lived in a very large home on Fermilab grounds totally free. The lab paid for everything including a private stable for their horses, furniture, utilities, cars, medical, dental, maintanence, grounds keeping.... He, the director of security, top execs and scientists, hunted and fished (the Fed stocked several of the cooling ponds with game fish and deer in the inner ring...strictly as an experiment, of course) on site. While he was the titular "Head" of the lab he essentially had no actual duties. A traveling figurehead basically.
Einstein lived in much the same manner at Princeton and when his own calculations indicated a Universe he felt was wrong, he introduced the "Cosmological Constant" essentially a fudge factor to make his calculations come out the way he thought they should.
Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker and their tele-evangelistic empire, multiple super luxury homes in vacation-type areas, a theme park, and their own closed community development for the faithful.
The list is endless
 
Yet, this year, Lederman at the age of 92 sold his Nobel Prize (for $765,000). Gillespie won't have much to sell. Lederman is a well respected physicist (even if he started a chemist ) who enjoyed an illustrious career.

Gillespie is a conman, more fair ground shyster than researcher and with more in common with the Bakkers, Popoffs, scientologists, homeopathists or others of that ilk. These people are amoral and prey on the vulnerable, ignorant and gullible.

Cheers

Steve
 
Yea, I just jealous I couldn't find a nice Cause Celebre to lead along with several thousand dedicated followers and donors to fund my "research center" on Tahiti
 
He probably needs to stump up some cash to sustain his lifestyle...errr...I mean fund his research.

I liked this bit

"...we are also very much aware that we live in a time of rampant science denial."

Do some proper science and you might be met with less denial Mr Gillespie. The 'science' that Gillespie is currently doing is best classified as 'pathological science'.

Cheers

Steve
 
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If they can find the Lexington and even ID the F4F-3's pilot insignia on the aircraft at a depth of 2 miles, they should be able to find Earhart's Lockheed in/around the reef of Howland.

Otherwise: give up, go home and shut the f**k up...
 
Discounting TIGAR for a second, trying to do a legitimate scientific-type study of Earhart's disappearance is like trying to study UFOs or the like. The result is almost immediate ridicule. Now don't get me wrong, I do NOT defend TIGAR in any sense. They've, IMHO, got a bad case of tunnel vision and unfortunately, like UFOs, the fakers, con-artists, and 15-minutes of fame nuts are fully on board.
Again, like UFOs, there remain a number of reports that cannot be discounted as known phenomenon or fakes. I would venture to say that the same is probably true for the Earhart radio calls but at this late date I doubt if it is possible to winnow them out.
It would be really wonderful if someone would under take a comprehensive high tech sonar search of the Howland Island sea floor especially in the area where the plane (supposedly) had been on the reef. The remoteness of Howland and therefore the cost are going to make this highly unlikely
 

It seems that AE was way overconfident to be without decent radio equipment on such a long flight. I read that her radio operator quit the flight because he'd lost confidence in her flying skill.
 

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