First P51 lost in war was due to?
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Per Search USAAF Missing Aircrew Reports 1941-1948 the first P-51 lost in combat with a MACR was
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Lots of training accidents in the UK prior to this
Accident North American P-51 Mustang Mk I AG413, Wednesday 29 July 1942
Takeoff at 14:30 hrs for a shipping reconnaissance mission to the area north of Walcheren island. The aircraft was intercepted by the fighter pilots Leutnant H. Tröger & Unteroffizier ...
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Thx,
The question provides 4 possible answers, AAA GROUND FIRE, ENEMY AIRCRAFT, MID AIR COLLISION, THE U BOAT.
The answer depends on the exact nature of the question in technical terms.
If the question is about the first 'North American Mustang' lost in war, it would be the loss of a number of NA-73 Mustang I aircraft (no P-51 designation for this model of Mustang) to U-Boat attack whilst on delivery to UK in late 1941/early 1942. First RAF loss of a NA-73 Mustang I on 9 May 1942, takeoff accident during a training flight. First RAF operational loss of a NA-73 Mustang I on 14 July 1942 -- aircraft seen to crash into ground, either pilot error or possible enemy AA fire.
If the question is about the first 'P-51' that would then encompass the NA-91 P-51 (no suffix) Mustang, which was the Mustang IA in RAF service. USAAF used a number of P-51 as a part of Operation Torch, and a number of losses were incurred by the 111th Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron flying them, which would pre-date the P-51A loss given in another post by some time. First USAAF NA-91 P-51 Mustang loss 6 September 1942 training accident in USA. First 111th TRS allocated aircraft loss 28 June 1943 'aircraft condemned, salvage'; operational loss, 18 July 1943, aircraft 'condemned' due to AA damage on return to base. First RAF Operational Loss of a NA-91 P-51 Mustang IA on 18 July 1943.
If the question is about the first 'North American Mustang' lost in war, it would be the loss of a number of NA-73 Mustang I aircraft (no P-51 designation for this model of Mustang) to U-Boat attack whilst on delivery to UK in late 1941/early 1942. First RAF loss of a NA-73 Mustang I on 9 May 1942, takeoff accident during a training flight. First RAF operational loss of a NA-73 Mustang I on 14 July 1942 -- aircraft seen to crash into ground, either pilot error or possible enemy AA fire.
If the question is about the first 'P-51' that would then encompass the NA-91 P-51 (no suffix) Mustang, which was the Mustang IA in RAF service. USAAF used a number of P-51 as a part of Operation Torch, and a number of losses were incurred by the 111th Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron flying them, which would pre-date the P-51A loss given in another post by some time. First USAAF NA-91 P-51 Mustang loss 6 September 1942 training accident in USA. First 111th TRS allocated aircraft loss 28 June 1943 'aircraft condemned, salvage'; operational loss, 18 July 1943, aircraft 'condemned' due to AA damage on return to base. First RAF Operational Loss of a NA-91 P-51 Mustang IA on 18 July 1943.
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Many thx for taking the time on providing such a detailed answer Collin.
Think I will go for the U boat answer.
Hope to be flying the P-51 in a few weeks.
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Unfortunately that book shows its age in that it contains a lot of information that is now known to be incorrect. Too much reliance on previously published incorrect information, to much photography of US based restored aircraft, insufficient coverage of the earliest models of the Mustang eg NA-73, NA-83 and NA-91, with often incorrect attribution of details of specific models and difference between models. The Bill Marshall & Lowell Ford book, the Matt Willis book are probabaly the best of the recent published books in terms of accurate description and detail on the early Mustangs.
Books in Detail & Scale Series, P-51 Mustang, Part 1, #50
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