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And there are number of files on the internet showing what the Germans found.
German workshops specialized in British & American radial engines?
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And there are number of files on the internet showing what the Germans found.
GrauGeist
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Any salvageable parts from downed Allied aircraft were either reused as mentioned above or went to Reichlin or KG200 for keeping their captured allied types in service.
Only briefly, did Messerschmitt consider installing a Merlin into a Bf109 back in May of '42, and it wasn't because of the engine itself, but rather to explore it's cooling system. That notion never got past a brief discussion.
Otherwise, the only "Allied" engines used on German aircraft, would be the Kestral in the Bf109 prototype (V1) and later, a P&W R-1830 in Bf109 V21 (WkNmr 1770) as a potential export version.
Only briefly, did Messerschmitt consider installing a Merlin into a Bf109 back in May of '42, and it wasn't because of the engine itself, but rather to explore it's cooling system. That notion never got past a brief discussion.
Otherwise, the only "Allied" engines used on German aircraft, would be the Kestral in the Bf109 prototype (V1) and later, a P&W R-1830 in Bf109 V21 (WkNmr 1770) as a potential export version.
And thousands of books, papers, articles, too; let's not forget them...
I suspect you've forgotten to mention it given your extensive knowledge, Dave, but for the peeps out there who aren't aware, the Ju 87 prototype was also powered by a Kestrel, but these were supplied directly by Rolls-Royce before the war rather than being captured in wartime.
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The Germans did salvage many wrecks, mainly for aluminum, and had a pretty robust recycling program but the process to recycle aluminum can be a bit complicated as you're going to have to match up material alloys to get the correct material properties without any impurities. Once the aluminum was melted down and depending on the alloy, it could have been made into sheet stock, extrusion, bar stock or forgings and used on a multitude of aircraft.
Salvaging engines to install on an existing airframe is very impractical (as you mentioned) but more from a design and operation standpoint.
Now you have the case of the Junkers 287 - the aircraft used 2 salvaged B-24 nose landing gears.
GrauGeist
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Yes, you're right, Grant - I suppose I was being more focused on the fighter aspect.
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Search on this site beute and you will get a good overall picture i think
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That's an interesting bit of info. I never knew B-24 components were used in the Ju-287. I looked it up and it seems like only about a dozen or so of these were built. Were all of them built with "pre-owned" used landing gear? My exhaustive research was a few seconds on Wiki.
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I'm not sure but I think the prototype was the only one to have B-24 landing gear
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When I started this thread I was thinking about all the civilian airliner-cargo aircraft that ended up in German hands in 1940. I likely falsely assumed the Germans captured more of these aircraft than they did. But clearly planes like the DC-2 & DC-3 were valued and kept flying during the occupation. I'm also curious if the same was true for the Dutch and French types. I have read about the German army network of repair depots that handled beute panzers and I was wondering if something like that existed on the Luftwaffe side. It would be interesting to find what happened to the airline repair facilities in Prague, Paris, Warsaw, Copenhagen, and Amsterdam. Were these taken over by Lufthansa who did a considerable amount of Luftwaffe repair work? Daniel Uziel's book "Arming the Luftwaffe: The German Aviation Industry in World War II" is on my list, but don't yet have it. If anyone can recommend another book I would be grateful.
Outside of the Gnome-Rhône 14 cylinder radial engines, was there another foreign engine used in a series production German aircraft (excluding the Italian aircraft built after September 1943)?
Outside of the Gnome-Rhône 14 cylinder radial engines, was there another foreign engine used in a series production German aircraft (excluding the Italian aircraft built after September 1943)?
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As a side note, apart from exotic KG200, I heard that a B-24 was used by the Luftwaffe as a rather mundane transport in the Aegean. No idea if that's true.
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German workshops specialized in British & American radial engines?
And there are number of files on the internet showing what the Germans found.
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Yes, I am searching the form for beute aircraft posts.German workshops specialized in British & American radial engines?
And there are number of files on the internet showing what the Germans found.
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That first one with the B-24 gear is often quoted as being the first prototype, but in the scheme of things was a concept demonstrator and was not specifically as production examples of what the Ju 287 was gonna be, despite the common designation. The Ju 287V1 had fixed undercarriage for starters and the fuselage of an He 177, as well as the wheels pilfered from a B-24. The Soviets completed the prototypes after secreting the German scientists away, but the aircraft were not a huge success and little was done with them, from what I've read. There are very few photographs of the actual Ju 287s built in Russia, the first one was designated EF 131 with six engines, the only known photograph of it published supplied by a banned forum member:
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I've attached a picture below of the EF 131 parked at Ramenskoye in early 1948 (the only photo of the EF 131 known to exist so far).
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And the twin engined EF 140, as seen in this post by another thoughtful forum member:
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In looking through my PC I have dug out some pics you might be interested in; First up is the twin engine version of the Ju 287 as flown by the Soviets; Then here is the Alekseyev type 150 bomber prototype designed by the Junkers team as the EF.150; Their final development to...
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The Ju 287 thread is a good staring point. Ju-287
