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Actually, I've heard that the Bell corporation did listen to the Soviets, but the changes the Soviets wanted were, to my understanding, incorporated in the P-63 rather than the P-39.
FlyBoy - don't worry about my bubble bursting. Soviets came to the Bell plant in Niagara Falls on a number of occasions 1943-45. A Soviet pilot demonstrated the deadly *flat spin* at the plant airport, I'm told. Yes - the P-63 probably more-accurately reflects Soviet input than the P-39. But: a. Larry Bell made the Soviets feel important; and b. He wanted a relationship with them because it guaranteed that his USAAF contacts kept getting renewed.
The Hurricane - and this is a Hurricane thread - like the Cobra, found a niche where it was right for the job. Solid airframe, responsive with punch.
Now somebody please, what does *rationalized the wing really mean ..* and likewise, I give up, what do those great graphs mean HoHun?
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Hard to say if it was based on operational experience with the P-39, but possible.
The P-63 came from the development of the XP-39E with the first orders coming June of 1941. The XP-63 first flew Dec 7, 1942.
The first P-39s reached the Soviet Union in late 1941 early 1942 way after the first P-63 were under development. Now a Soviet test pilot and engineer did go to the Bell factory and give a bunch of input into the P-63A and their ideas were incorporated, all this happening around 1943.
A picture of that can be found on page 22 of Osprey's "Soviet Lend-Lease Fighter Aces of World War 2" by George Mellinger. In the book though, it is labeled as an "artillery spotter."
I would suggestThe Soviets didn't change much else about the plane, and they really seem to have disliked it. There were very few Soviet Hurricane aces, certainly none I can think of off-hand that made ace in the Hurricane
Which?And as for *it depends what you call evolution* - Camm was trying to influence events by anticipating/reacting design
Britain had plenty of fighter aircraft from 1941 onward. In addition to plenty of Spitfires they received hundreds of American made P-40s. If Australia and other Commonwealth nations were short of decent fighter aircraft during 1941 it was the result of a deliberate decision by the British government.Considering how hard up the Australians and others in the Commonwealth (Indians for another example) were for fighters
Re: Sidney Camm's designs:
What level of performance of Typhoon was expected by Camm? The reason I ask is that Typhoon was as fast as Spit Mk V, so not someting one could expect with 2000+ HP onboard.
Claidemore covered thatWhat level of performance of Typhoon was expected by Camm? The reason I ask is that Typhoon was as fast as Spit Mk V, so not something one could expect with 2000+ HP onboard
So what could you not expect from it?The 2000+HP was the power Sabre was developing; it's the 2200HP figure actually
So what could you not expect from it?
Still a little confused by what you are saying, soI would expect a superior speed from a plane that is contemporary of Fw-190, having 2200HP on board.
What level of performance of Typhoon was expected by Camm? The reason I ask is that Typhoon was as fast as Spit Mk V*, so not someting one could expect with 2000+ HP onboard.
Now I see...I meant that plane (Typhoon) with 2000+HP** should've been faster. So, disappointment, if that's not too strong a word...