Is it a Hawker Hurricane?

[Dr.Mabuse]

Hi everyone,

i am new to this forum.

I am in the local histoy club of my hometown. For 80 years end of ww2, we try to do some little biography of very few fallens from my hometown and i asked for pictures. I got a big album with different photos. Not all are from ww2 and those which are, arent only from the fallen person. Photos of survived relatives of the guy who gave me the album, are also included. So it is hard to tell which photos are from the one who got killed in action and whose photos are from the survived ones.

That is it.

I am not sure about the type of Airplane, but it is maybe a Hawker Hurricane. I have no more photo of the damaged airplane. Only this photo.

It seems the enemy pilot survived, at leaset i hope so. It also seems someone, propaply Germans, stripped the wreckage.

If it is not a Hawker Hurricane, what Airplane is it=

Thanks for the reply!

Best regards

Dr.Mabuse

 

[Wurger]

It is the Hawker Hurricane.

 

[Dr.Mabuse]

thank you very much!

RAF or French Airforce?

 

[Wurger]

RAF or French Airforce?

I doubt it is a Hurricane used by the Free French squadrons because these all were used in the North Africa. The landscape doesn't seem to be the TO one. IMHO that's is the RAF Hurricane shot down somewhere in France 1940 or a little bit later. Also the tone of the roundel noticed on the port wing top suggests the RAF one but not the French because the one was different of the colour order.

 

[Dr.Mabuse]

Thank you sir!

 

[Crimea_River]

One more bit: there appears to be a corner of the letter T below and behind the sliding canopy. This could be a clue to the squadron if one wanted to do a deep dive into this particular aircraft, though it's not likely to narrow it down to just a few possibilities.

 

[pb43]

Hi everyone,

i am new to this forum.

I am in the local histoy club of my hometown. For 80 years end of ww2, we try to do some little biography of very few fallens from my hometown and i asked for pictures. I got a big album with different photos. Not all are from ww2 and those which are, arent only from the fallen person. Photos of survived relatives of the guy who gave me the album, are also included. So it is hard to tell which photos are from the one who got killed in action and whose photos are from the survived ones.

That is it.

I am not sure about the type of Airplane, but it is maybe a Hawker Hurricane. I have no more photo of the damaged airplane. Only this photo.

It seems the enemy pilot survived, at leaset i hope so. It also seems someone, propaply Germans, stripped the wreckage.

If it is not a Hawker Hurricane, what Airplane is it=

Thanks for the reply!

Best regards

Dr.Mabuse

Hawker Hurricane I

 

[pb43]

Hi everyone,

i am new to this forum.

I am in the local histoy club of my hometown. For 80 years end of ww2, we try to do some little biography of very few fallens from my hometown and i asked for pictures. I got a big album with different photos. Not all are from ww2 and those which are, arent only from the fallen person. Photos of survived relatives of the guy who gave me the album, are also included. So it is hard to tell which photos are from the one who got killed in action and whose photos are from the survived ones.

That is it.

I am not sure about the type of Airplane, but it is maybe a Hawker Hurricane. I have no more photo of the damaged airplane. Only this photo.

It seems the enemy pilot survived, at leaset i hope so. It also seems someone, propaply Germans, stripped the wreckage.

If it is not a Hawker Hurricane, what Airplane is it=

Thanks for the reply!

Best regards

Dr.Mabuse

Belgian Air Force Hawker Hurricane - the size and position of the roundel give it away! https://www.belgian-wings.be/hawker-hurricane-i

 

[pb43]

I doubt it is a Hurricane used by the Free French squadrons because these all were used in the North Africa. The landscape doesn't seem to be the TO one. IMHO that's is the RAF Hurricane shot down somewhere in France 1940 or a little bit later. Also the tone of the roundel noticed on the port wing top suggests the RAF one but not the French because the one was different of the colour order.

Belgian!

 

[pb43]

thank you very much!

RAF or French Airforce?

Belgian

 

[Wurger]

Belgian!

I agree it is the Mk.I. But if the Belgian one you haven't convinced me. The Hurricane in the pic above has the antenna mast of the different shape than the Belgian one. This indicates the a little bit later production Mk.I. Secondly, the shape of the spinner with a hole in its front and seen partially behind the soldier, indciates the three-blade prop rather. The Belgian kites except the H-39 had the two-blade wooden prop with the small cone only. The H-39 had the three blade prop with the more spherical spinner but the antenna mast was the same as the entire rest of the Belgian Hurricanes had. What is more, the windscreen seems to have the side bar that any of the Belgian planes didn't have. Its shape at the bottom and the top and also the bar may suggest the internal bullet-proof glass.
As far as the roundel is concerned, the RAF B type roundel of the smaller diameter and larger were also used in 1939 and 1940 in France. Additionally, the location seems to be almost the same for both the RAF and Belgian marking.

the early antenna mast type used also for the Belgian Hurricanes ...

the later one ...

the roundels 1939/40

The cockpit windscreen ...

the Belgian one ...

and ...

and with the external armoured glass ... also see the first pic with the early antenna mast.

and the one seen in the pic above ...

and the one with the bar ... similar?

 

[fubar57]

Looking at the wing roundels in the Belgian link, they are too far away from the landing light compared to the OP photo

 

[pb43]

I agree it is the Mk.I. But if the Belgian one you haven't convinced me. The Hurricane in the pic above has the antenna mast of the different shape than the Belgian one. This indicates the a little bit later production Mk.I. Secondly, the shape of the spinner with a hole in its front and seen partially behind the soldier, indciates the three-blade prop rather. The Belgian kites except the H-39 had the two-blade wooden prop with the small cone only. The H-39 had the three blade prop with the more spherical spinner but the antenna mast was the same as the entire rest of the Belgian Hurricanes had. What is more, the windscreen seems to have the side bar that any of the Belgian planes didn't have. Its shape at the bottom and the top and also the bar may suggest the internal bullet-proof glass.
As far as the roundel is concerned, the RAF B type roundel of the smaller diameter and larger were also used in 1939 and 1940 in France. Additionally, the location seems to be almost the same for both the RAF and Belgian marking.

the early antenna mast type used also for the Belgian Hurricanes ...
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the later one ...
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the roundels 1939/40
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The cockpit windscreen ...

the Belgian one ...
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and ...
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and with the external armoured glass ... also see the first pic with the early antenna mast.
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and the one seen in the pic above ...
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and the one with the bar ... similar?
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Agreed!

 

[slaterat]

Not a great quality picture, but the reserve fuel tank looks to be self sealing which would also make it a later mk 1.

 

[Nogo99]

The wreckage certainly looks like a British Hawker Hurricane Mk.I. (Given the angle of the photo it looks to me like a "Two-bladed" spinner)

I've "looked into" the soldiers.

The five men in the center and right belong to the German Heer (Army). This is verified by their M36 Feldbluse field jackets, featuring five highly visible metal buttons down the front, light breast eagles, and the distinct dark, flask-green wool collars (Abzeichentuch) that were uniquely standard on the early-war M36 model before being phased out in late 1940.

The two leftmost soldiers in the army group are "combat veterans" decorated maybe during the recent Blitzkrieg in the West (May–June 1940). One seems to wear the prestigious Iron Cross pinned directly to the center of his left breast pocket, while his comrade wears a circular Wound Badge.

Far left, the man in the bright jacket is likely a Luftwaffe ground crew member acting as technical guard or recovery personnel. He appears to be wearing the early-war, light-colored Drillichanzug.

The exact historical window for this photograph is probably June, July, or August 1940. I believe this is anchored by three independent factors:

1.The pristine, widespread use of the early M36 dark-collared jackets before M40/M41 modifications took over.
2.The presence of the un-dyed, light Luftwaffe work jacket, which was ordered to be recalled, dyed dark green, or replaced in early 1941 to reduce visibility.
3.The proud display of newly awarded May/June 1940 combat decorations on field uniforms that show no signs of the severe wear, tear, or heavy winter modifications.

Looks like a classic "souvenir photo" capturing the exact moment during the Battle of France or the early weeks of the Battle of Britain where an army infantry squad and a Luftwaffe groundcrew shared a relaxed moment in a field to document their encounter with a downed RAF fighter.

 

[pb43]

thank you very much!

RAF or French Airforce?

RAF or Belgian Air Force, Not French