swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
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- Jun 25, 2013
Very nice, even though it looks like a Mirage
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Here's my entry; a delta-winged F-104.
It was a double whammy, the obstruction turbulence of the island and the thermal convection turbulence of the stack gasses, made worse the faster the ship was going. It wasn't so much flameouts, which did occur once in a while, as momentary compressor stalls which would cause a brief reduction in thrust and a settle below glide slope into ramp strike territory. The antidote was a brief burst of power perfectly timed to coincide with the anticipated burble.don't know about this engine stalling due to some turbulence from the island. If there was a particular problem, I think they would have made some aerodynamic changes to the island. I don't think they did.
You know, I would have thought it was just to set up a potential go-around in the event of a failed approach. I guess you learn something new every day.It was a double whammy, the obstruction turbulence of the island and the thermal convection turbulence of the stack gasses, made worse the faster the ship was going. It wasn't so much flameouts, which did occur once in a while, as momentary compressor stalls which would cause a brief reduction in thrust and a settle below glide slope into ramp strike territory. The antidote was a brief burst of power perfectly timed to coincide with the anticipated burble.
It's an intellectual exercise, revolving around how aircraft could have been made better with technology available at the time.
I would assume that the changes could include differences in aerodynamics, in installation of existing equipment, in propulsion system where applicable and allowable. I guess conceptual designs that didn't fly could also be included.
- The existing specification: Basically, the idea would be working within the existing specification, but you could modify or change anything within the boundary of it.
- A different winner: Sometimes the problem wasn't the design so much as the winner to the contender
- A more realistic/practical specification: Basically the specifications are made more realistic to allow a practical design to be developed.
I would say that other developments like gun/cannon and missile design would also be discussable to a point.
It's an intellectual exercise, revolving around how aircraft could have been made better with technology available at the time.
I would assume that the changes could include differences in aerodynamics, in installation of existing equipment, in propulsion system where applicable and allowable. I guess conceptual designs that didn't fly could also be included.
- The existing specification: Basically, the idea would be working within the existing specification, but you could modify or change anything within the boundary of it.
- A different winner: Sometimes the problem wasn't the design so much as the winner to the contender
- A more realistic/practical specification: Basically the specifications are made more realistic to allow a practical design to be developed.
I would say that other developments like gun/cannon and missile design would also be discussable to a point.
It's an intellectual exercise, revolving around how aircraft could have been made better with technology available at the time.
I would assume that the changes could include differences in aerodynamics, in installation of existing equipment, in propulsion system where applicable and allowable. I guess conceptual designs that didn't fly could also be included.
- The existing specification: Basically, the idea would be working within the existing specification, but you could modify or change anything within the boundary of it.
- A different winner: Sometimes the problem wasn't the design so much as the winner to the contender
- A more realistic/practical specification: Basically the specifications are made more realistic to allow a practical design to be developed.
I would say that other developments like gun/cannon and missile design would also be discussable to a point.
It's an intellectual exercise, revolving around how aircraft could have been made better with technology available at the time.
I would assume that the changes could include differences in aerodynamics, in installation of existing equipment, in propulsion system where applicable and allowable. I guess conceptual designs that didn't fly could also be included.
- The existing specification: Basically, the idea would be working within the existing specification, but you could modify or change anything within the boundary of it.
- A different winner: Sometimes the problem wasn't the design so much as the winner to the contender
- A more realistic/practical specification: Basically the specifications are made more realistic to allow a practical design to be developed.
I would say that other developments like gun/cannon and missile design would also be discussable to a point.
Looks like a Republic (in other words, overweight and underpowered) take on the XF92.F-84 Delta; would it fly?
That is interesting how Republic had such a tendency to do this...Looks like a Republic (in other words, overweight and underpowered) take on the XF92.
Call it "the Thunderbolt legacy". Almost as if they were trying to rival their next door neighbors, the "Grumman iron works", except they overdid it when they didn't have access to powerplants that could handle the beef. Not 'til the mighty Thud did they get it together.That is interesting how Republic had such a tendency to do this...
When you compare the delta Mirages to the swept wing Mirage F.1, one wonders why the F.1didn't do much better in the marketplace.There are a lot of British post war jets which are worthy of many book on this subject.
All the Supermarines basically!
Always liked the look of the Mirage F.1. it just looks like a jet should. A very basic looking no frills jet.
My guess is short range.When you compare the delta Mirages to the swept wing Mirage F.1, one wonders why the F.1didn't do much better in the marketplace.
Very nice, even though it looks like a Mirage
My guess is short range.
Actually, they weren't flying into a crosswind. Drill was (is) to steer the ship a few degrees off the wind to put the airflow as close as possible to right down the angle. This eliminates most of the crab angle the aircraft has to hold, but doesn't change the fact the airstrip is constantly sliding to starboard of a lined-up approach, necessitating a slight crab to the right. This is what nugget aviators hitting the boat for the first time after days and days of FCLP (Field Carrier Landing Practice) have the most difficulty adjusting to. Seen from the PLAT screen, the nugget lines up centered in the cross hairs (or not) and drifts inexorably toward the right edge of the screen, ultimately either taking a waveoff or making a last minute correction that has the LSOs diving for the catwalk.So the problems had to do with jet-aircraft in particular (the inability to take turbulent airflow into the compressor), as well as the fact that they were flying with a slight crosswind.