My understanding is that the Germans gave them old and well used 109's. That is what I should have said.
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Hi Adler,
Yes to poor manufacturing, but no to your statement re purposely not well built. The air-frames as well as the engines came from multiple production lots. Need to dig in my books and translate the necessary facts later today.
Cheers,
How about if I fly along in a helicopter at 5000' and hose sharks basking in the Gulf of Tonkin with an M-60?
Read up more. One of his comrades did just that, pot three Taliban walking, but at a slightly less phenomenal range.
Part of the original reply was about yanking and banking. Since many video games divorce the image on screen from reality, many people get the idea that the results of said Yank and bank happen instantly and that it makes a difference to how hard it is to shoot down a maneuvering plane. The plane's transient response is measured in degrees per second per second and I have never seen a chart of any WW-II plane that shows the number of degrees any stick movement would have in the first second, which is typically about 1/4 to 1/5 of the rate seen in all the charts I have ever seen.
But the most interesting part is that after the plane changes Attitude, it takes a further substantial fraction of a second for the plane to actually move in the new direction. So, a yank and bank might change the attitude of the target a grand total of 30 Degrees of pitch and roll combined, but the plane's inertia would limit the actual translation in space to about 5-7 degrees, or 20-25 meters displacement from the original trajectory and a distance from the shooter's line of sight two to three hundred yards back of less than 2 degrees.
So the shooter has to pull two or three degrees to cause his bullet stream to point at the new location of the target. Since the shooter's reaction time is much less than the inertia time of any plane of WW-II vintage, this is relatively easy to do. Once the shooter is within gun range and in the saddle as they say, there is little to nothing the greatest pilot on earth can do to avoid being shot down by any ace.
This (and the rest of your post) is complete fantasy and rubbish.Once the shooter is within gun range and in the saddle as they say, there is little to nothing the greatest pilot on earth can do to avoid being shot down by any ace.
Drag is VERY important.The Drag is not important when compared to the increase in vision it gave. Ask any fighter pilot, or look at all post war Friendly planes.
If you sit in a 109, you can easily see most of what's behind you, either through the bullet proof glass that has replaced the steel in most late model planes like the one above, or around the steel in early planes..
Great post, but wrong! The M-60's "Range" was 1,200 Meters, or 1312 yards over flat ground. This is the range at which dispersion of the shot cone is such that a standing target is no longer guaranteed a hit with a 10 shot burst. Shooting at a nearly vertical angle, it's effective range is about 1250 Meters, both due to the lack of drop and the acceleration of gravity which helps the bullet not loose so much velocity. But the bullet is stable at 3,600 Meters and on a downward trajectory like that will have little trouble peppering a sun bathing shark from only 5000 feet. The shark always dashes from the strike and may, or may not be hit because of said pattern dispersion, but the reaction is always the same, hit or not. There is no way to tell. But if the burst of splashes surrounds the shark, it's a hit. It gets very much harder at 9000 feet altitude because the largest single difficulty in shooting sharks from a moving platform is the forward velocity of the shooter and the fact that he, or she has to aim behind the target's poss to get hits and the higher you go, the harder that is. But since helos typically cruise at speeds well under 170 MPH, it's not that hard.
Please tell by what parameters was Bf 109 the best fighter plane of WWII ?Only the Me-109 was the best fighter plane of WW-II and then by such a huge margin that second and third places went to different models of that plane before a single other plane shows up on the list!
You seem to think every designer was secretly trying to produce a Bf109 in disguise, wing AREA is one of the measures you can make, there are many others, how many of the Metrics quoted are anything like that of a 109?Surely Supermarine should have insisted on RR inverting the Griffon to have the exhausts in the perfect place (where they are on a 109).This is a great post and reinforces most of what I said before. The wing area was reduced, closer to the Me-109 in both size and design philosophy! More wing area means more drag and a lower speed. This was compensated by much more power.
The same parameters that say the Spitfire couldnt shoot anything down, couldnt roll at 250mph+ and killed more of its pilots than the enemy did.Please tell by what parameters was Bf 109 the best fighter plane of WWII ?
It had black crosses on the wing, Karl...Please tell by what parameters was Bf 109 the best fighter plane of WWII ?
The Drag is not important when compared to the increase in vision it gave. Ask any fighter pilot, or look at all post war Friendly planes.
My understanding is that the Germans gave them old and well used 109's. That is what I should have said.
Ah yes i forgot, the 20% increase in speed, manouverability, range, climb etc that black crosses give aircraft yet the reverse happens when you paint a roundel on them !It had black crosses on the wing, Karl...
This gave the aircraft an instant increase in performance, just as the RAF roundels imposed a decrease in performance on any aircraft they were applied to
Rolls Royce engines were highly magnetic and so easy to hit, German pilots achieved most kills by flying over Calais and shooting in the general direction of CanterburyAh yes i forgot, the 20% increase in speed, manouverability, range, climb etc that black crosses give aircraft yet the reverse happens when you paint a roundel on them !
Though to be fair there are those that believe the exact opposite, but i dont seeas many of those !
Quite right and if they wanted the British aircraft to be world-beaters, they should have stuck a big white star on the side...this would have shown a marked increase in performance!!Ah yes i forgot, the 20% increase in speed, manouverability, range, climb etc that black crosses give aircraft yet the reverse happens when you paint a roundel on them !
Though to be fair there are those that believe the exact opposite, but i dont seeas many of those !