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Pineapple and Canadian Bacon is perfectly fine on a pizza - on the otherhand, there is one topping that should be illegal and is most likely why the world is in turmoil:
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Pineapple and Canadian Bacon is perfectly fine on a pizza - on the otherhand, there is one topping that should be illegal and is most likely why the world is in turmoil:That's what happens when pizza is topped with pineapple. FACT.
MY EYES, MY EYES! THEY'RE BURNING! STOP THE PAIN!
FACT!See what happens when you make negative, nay nasty, comments about pineapple on pizza? Let that be a lesson to you!
Especially when the aircraft landing on the carrier, presumably with a light fuel load, only weighs about 4,500 lbs. That's more than 500 lbs. less than the empty weight of a Spitfire V.The A6M's undercarriage looks perfectly up the the job.
I hope you're not insinuating that their was some inherent issue with the strength of the Hellcat's landing gear because that would be patently false. It was known to be more than durable enough to handle daily carrier use without incident.Contrary to popular opinion, the F6F was quite happy to break a leg landing
I hope you're not insinuating that their was some inherent issue with the strength of the Hellcat's landing gear because that would be patently false. It was known to be more than durable enough to handle daily carrier use without incident.
However with the hundreds of thousands of carriers traps it's not hard to imagine the occasional but rare gear failure (combat damage and pilot error not withstanding). And because basically the same footage makes the carrier crash highlight reel over and over and over again (and over again) which to the layman might seem a somewhat common occurrence... I can definitely assure you it was not.
And I believe the Zero's landing gear to be perfectly fine for carrier use too.
That's an odd choice of words, suggesting that the Hellcat's very character is somehow being maligned or insulted. But it's just a machine - the Hellcat doesn't have feelings that must be defended. I assume you chose your words intentionally to stymy debate; but instead of shutting M Macandy down, why not ask for an elaboration?I hope you're not insinuating
If given the chance with a clean sheet the Brits could make retractable undercarriage sufficiently robust for carrier ops. Check out these no-issue landings of the Fulmar.Now if you want a fragile carrier fighter undercarriage? The Seafire - up to 50% failure rate on a good day
Now if you want a fragile carrier fighter undercarriage? The Seafire - up to 50% failure rate on a good day
Again, Macandy, you're making a bold statement. Can you please back that up?
If a squadron suffered 50% losses for every mission it undertook, then the squadron would be non-op in a matter of a few days, maximum. How do you maintain operations under such constraints? And yet the FAA did maintain ops with the Seafires on (relatively) small carriers that didn't have space for an entire squadron's worth of replacement airframes.
Thanks for the clarification. By the way that picture is a good example of a gear locking malfunction. During hard landings early F6F-3s would occasionally slip out of correct locking position and end up 90 degrees out of position, which resulted in what we see here.Nope, just noting that there is a popular belief that the F-6F's undercarriage was stronger than the Brooklyn Bridge and some sort off indestructible entity.
Even its extremely strong undercarriage would break in a heavy landing - and heavy landings are part of landing on a moving deck.
Now if you want a fragile carrier fighter undercarriage? The Seafire - up to 50% failure rate on a good day
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Yes, they sometimes hit their props on the deck when landing, so did other aircraft.
Yes, they sometimes had their gear collapse, so did other aircraft.
Yes, they sometimes missed the arrestor wires and hit the crash barrier, so did other aircraft.
I was never conceived as such, so we can't blame the aircraft. What they needed was a Merlin-powered, three or four blade Seafang - essentially a Seafire with robust construction, longer range and wide, well-suited undercarriage,It was, and would remain, an utterly useless carrier aircraft