Kayseri factory aircraft

[Balkandave]

Hi
This picture was taken in the Turkish aircraft factory at Kayseri in the 1930s. Can anyone tell me what aircraft it is. I suspect army cooperation although the list of aircraft I have all look like bi-planes. Thanks.

 

[Wurger]

It is a Polish PZL P-24C fighter produced by the PZL factory in Warsaw and under licence by KTF (Kayseri Airplane Factory) in 1936-1937. The P-24C series for Turkey consisted of 26 planes made by the PZL in Poland and 20 licenced ones by the KTF. They were equipped with four 7.9mm Colt-Browning machine guns and had two underwing racks for 50kg bombs. The P-24C version was powered by the French made Gnome-Rhone reciprocating radial engine with an output of 900HP. The no.2126 aircraft was assembled by the PZL factory as memo serves. The aircraft belonged to the 4th Aviation Regiment ( Tayyeare Alayi ), 8th Squadron ( Av Taburu ) of the Turkish AF based at the Kutahaya airbase in 1938.

the source: the net

 

[Balkandave]

Thanks very much. I mistook the struts in the line drawing in my source for a bi-plane. And it said 1938. That is very helpful.

 

[Wurger]

My pleasure.

 

[Balkandave]

Sorry, meant to ask, do you have a source for your picture, preferably at a higher resolution?

 

[Wurger]

Sorry but I don't. I found the image via the net some time ago. I don't remember the source.

 

[Balkandave]

No problem. Thanks anyway.

 

[Wurger]

 

[dick56]

It is a Polish PZL P-24C fighter produced by the PZL factory in Warsaw and under licence by KTF (Kayseri Airplane Factory) in 1936-1937. The P-24C series for Turkey consisted of 26 planes made by the PZL in Poland and 20 licenced ones by the KTF. They were equipped with four 7.9mm Colt-Browning machine guns and had two underwing racks for 50kg bombs. The P-24C version was powered by the French made Gnome-Rhone reciprocating radial engine with an output of 900HP. The no.2126 aircraft was assembled by the PZL factory as memo serves. The aircraft belonged to the 4th Aviation Regiment ( Tayyeare Alayi ), 8th Squadron ( Av Taburu ) of the Turkish AF based at the Kutahaya airbase in 1938.

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the source: the net

Where did the pilot sit? Was it Spirit of Saint Louis type visibility?
DW

 

[Buster01]

Where did the pilot sit? Was it Spirit of Saint Louis type visibility?
DW

It has a "gull" wing. The pilot is located behind the wing with the canopy above the wing. Looking forward, through the gull shape must have severely limited vision.

 

[Wurger]

It has a "gull" wing. The pilot is located behind the wing with the canopy above the wing. Looking forward, through the gull shape must have severely limited vision.

Yes the pilot sat in the cockpit just in the way you described. But the view from the cockpit was excellent both above the wing and under it. The view forward was also very good because the wing was thinned at the fuselage. In that way the visibility was limited just in the same way like there would be the frame of the cockpit canopy.

the pic source: the net

 

[SaparotRob]

Yes the pilot sat in the cockpit just in the way you described. But the view from the cockpit was excellent both above the wing and under it. The view forward was also very good because the wing was thinned at the fuselage. In that way the visibility was limited just in the same way like there would be the frame of the cockpit canopy.

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I had always thought the view would have been terrible. I'm surprised as well as educated

 

[Big Jake]

Yes the pilot sat in the cockpit just in the way you described. But the view from the cockpit was excellent both above the wing and under it. The view forward was also very good because the wing was thinned at the fuselage. In that way the visibility was limited just in the same way like there would be the frame of the cockpit canopy.

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As someone with experience flying tail wheeled aircraft, I am pretty sure that the view forward during take off and landing was terrible to awful.

 

[MiTasol]

Sorry, meant to ask, do you have a source for your picture, preferably at a higher resolution?

Try an internet reverse image search

 

[Balkandave]

Thanks. Sadly none turned up but useful for future reference.

 

[GrauGeist]

Here's a view of the 24C's cockpit, the image is from Wurger's album here on the forum.

PZL P-24C cockpit

 

[vikingBerserker]

I believe there is a PZL-24 in one of the Turkish Air Museums. I came across it during one of the group builds.

 

[Wurger]

Yes, it is. There is the only P-24 of the G version in the Turkish Aviation Museum, Istambul.

the source: 2145 | PZL P.24G | Turkey - Air Force | Wojtek Kmiecik | JetPhotos