MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Going by the video it was a perfect belly landing until it wasn't. It did not slow down at all after it contacted the runway.
Korean airline emergency landing goes wrong and many killed (2 Viewers)
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What I don't understand is why they were doing a wheels up landing. The 737 has a mechanical emergency extension in the event of hydraulic failure.
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
A video of the actual crash.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeRdKnIX4fA
Ignore any birdstrike commentary - unless the birdstrike disabled the pilot & copilot, or it happened at the last moment?
EDIT: Huh, how about that. The URL has had the video changed so that it no longer shows the actual crash, now it only shows the flaming and smoking wreckage over & over again. However, GTX has put up a link to the crash video in his post#20 "Korean airline emergency landing goes wrong and many killed"
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeRdKnIX4fA
Ignore any birdstrike commentary - unless the birdstrike disabled the pilot & copilot, or it happened at the last moment?
EDIT: Huh, how about that. The URL has had the video changed so that it no longer shows the actual crash, now it only shows the flaming and smoking wreckage over & over again. However, GTX has put up a link to the crash video in his post#20 "Korean airline emergency landing goes wrong and many killed"
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Alan Stevens
Airman 1st Class
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- May 24, 2023
Freefall the landing gear.
Something is off. There is no reason the gear was still up.
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MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Maybe the old silence the gear horn because it is annoying me and then forget to put the gear down trick?
Still, until the official report comes out, we are just guessing as the press reports will no doubt screw up whatever the investigators say until then.
Still, until the official report comes out, we are just guessing as the press reports will no doubt screw up whatever the investigators say until then.
...and the armchair experts here will provide further pointless conjecture.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Thumpalumpacus
Major
The death toll in the South Korean plane crash rose to 179, killing all but two people aboard, The New York Times reported, citing fire officials at the Muan International Airport.
All passengers and crew members were accounted for as of Sunday evening local time, the Times reported, after two survivors were recovered from the wreckage earlier Sunday.
A Boeing 737-800 plane, operated by South Korea's Jeju Air, departed from Bangkok, Thailand, and arrived at approximately 9 a.m. local time at Muan International Airport on Sunday.
According to South Korea's Yonhap News Agency, the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport held a briefing Sunday afternoon and reported that the control tower had warned of birds in the area just before landing. The pilot then requested a "mayday" signal, and the airplane went up in flames a couple of minutes later.
"It is presumed to have been a bird strike. Smoke came out of one of the engines and then it exploded," one surviving crew member said in a witness report, Yonhap reported.
Jeju Air Flight 7C2216 had 181 people on board, including 175 passengers, 4 flight attendants and 2 pilots. The two surviving people were both crew members rescued from the back of the plane during the initial search, Yonhap reported.
All passengers and crew members were accounted for as of Sunday evening local time, the Times reported, after two survivors were recovered from the wreckage earlier Sunday.
A Boeing 737-800 plane, operated by South Korea's Jeju Air, departed from Bangkok, Thailand, and arrived at approximately 9 a.m. local time at Muan International Airport on Sunday.
According to South Korea's Yonhap News Agency, the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport held a briefing Sunday afternoon and reported that the control tower had warned of birds in the area just before landing. The pilot then requested a "mayday" signal, and the airplane went up in flames a couple of minutes later.
"It is presumed to have been a bird strike. Smoke came out of one of the engines and then it exploded," one surviving crew member said in a witness report, Yonhap reported.
Jeju Air Flight 7C2216 had 181 people on board, including 175 passengers, 4 flight attendants and 2 pilots. The two surviving people were both crew members rescued from the back of the plane during the initial search, Yonhap reported.
cammerjeff
Staff Sergeant
There are many mechanical reasons that one or both main gear could remain up. As we don't have any real facts as yet its hard to say.
I have seen tire explosions from dragging brakes on takeoff, that could jamb the gear in place. Was the manual release system operative? Broken cables, jammed cables can cause this. Jammed release system of the gear doors or the gear itself, just to name a few.
We do not even know if they had an issue with just one of the landing gear or all 3. My money would be on one of the main gear would not extend. The Pilots I used to work with had varied opinions on attempting to land with just the nose gear and 1 main gear down, or if it was safer to land with all 3 gear up? Glad I never had to make that decision.
And after seeing the Video it looks like the 737 hit a non moving object the way it just stopped and burst into flames. Hill? Ditch?
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
And we're glad you took the time to weigh in with your expert and informative opinion.
drgondog
Major
No flaps and gear semi extended - looks like hydraulics failure. Might have had a chance belly landing.. armchair quarterbacking..
Thats true. Forgot about that. I worked on one onetime where the emergency mechanical system was not rigged correctly and would not release.
I think they reported a hydraulic problem. Its just interesting as to why the mechanical gear was not used, but as has been pointed out, there are scenarios where that will not work either. We shall see…
cammerjeff
Staff Sergeant
I don't see the gear partially extended in the video I have seen, Flaps are retracted, could they have been attempting a go around? In that case they would have retracted the gear and flaps, then possibly had engine failure due to the reported bird strike?
A failed go around would explain the late set down point, and speed the aircraft was going at impact. Just a thought.
A failed go around would explain the late set down point, and speed the aircraft was going at impact. Just a thought.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
To be fair, I did go off half-cocked the other day about the Azerbaijani shootdown.
MIflyer
1st Lieutenant
I recall a statement made by a pilot while pointing at the remains of a homebuilt airplane hanging from the hangar rafters:
"I thought the emergency landing went quite well until the point where the fire started."
That is generally true for non-emergency landings as well.
"I thought the emergency landing went quite well until the point where the fire started."
That is generally true for non-emergency landings as well.
fubar57
General
CBC just reported about a wall that should not have been at the end of the runway. This area is supposed to be free of obstacles to allow for overshooting. The "expert" on CBC said, had this wall not been there, no explosion
Plane crash in South Korea kills 179 of 181 on board
Only two survivors have been found after a plane reported to have malfunctioning landing gear hits a fence and catches fire in southern South Korea.
www.abc.net.au
Plane carrying 181 crashes in South Korea, with only two confirmed survivors — as it happened
Authorities say the plane was attempting a crash landing due to a malfunctioning landing gear when it veered off the runway and collided with a fence at Muan Airport.
www.abc.net.au
