Mercedes T80

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    I don't know, Smokey. Looks like lots of "wing-in-ground effect" would plague that design. I can see that think reaching take-off well before 400mph. Also, I bet that at 450mph you would have lots of yaw problems without some sort of vertical stabilizer.
     
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    It seems the intention is for the rear wheel arches to form twin vertical stabilisers
     
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    I sure as hell wouldnt like to drive that...
     
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    You don't really believe that do you?
     
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    Ive seen that car several times. I used to live near the Mercedes Museum and would go and view the vehicals on many occasions. The Museum is great it has the first automobile in it (yes people Ford did not build the first automobile, they just made the first mass produced one), the T80, and even Hitlers limousine.
     
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    do you mean the firstl self propelled vehicle? what year was she built?
     
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    No, we mean the first vehicle to be propelled by the internal combustion engine. 1886 I belive, built by Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler.
     
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    That was the theory - I don't know if it worked in practice

    According to this site:

    Mercedes T80: Information From Answers.com
     
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    The first powered automobiles. Daimler and Benz built them in 1886 and they also built the first motorized cycles in 1886 as well.

    The Museum also features:

    1892 Daimler Motor Car
    1907 Daimler Double Decker
    1921 Mercedes Knight Touring Car
    1927 Pullman 12/55hp Limousine
    1939 Mercedes 320
    1940 Mercedes O2600 All Weather Coach
    1952 O3200 All Weather Coach
    1969 1112 Bus
    1972 300 SEL 6.3
    1912 Benz 3 Ton Truck
    1938 L6500 Platform Truck
    1955 Mercedes Racing Sports Car
    1959 L406
    1983 500 SEC
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    1952 Fire Fighting Truck
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    There are many many more like Formula 1 Cars and from McClaren Mercedes, DB 601 Engine, DB-605 Engine and so forth...

    To many more to name.

    Good Museum
     
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    I was reading a feature about that museum in Top Gear magazine lastnight. Looks damn good, Ive gotta go there when im older...Apparently no two panes of glass from the 1800 windows are the same...
     
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    same with the tiles that make up the Eden Project biomes ;)
     
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    As I recall Hans Stuck had some speed record experience back then along with Rudi Caracciola. It was Caracciola who held the fastest at 263 MPH on the autobahn. The T-80 looking for 470 MPH on the same is insane. They had a zillion problems reaching 263 on what was basically a public highway.

    While I believe the thing could have achieved a chance of the speed on the Bonneville Salt Flats it would have never done it through the officially measured FIA distance on a freeway! And since nothing else with later technology has hit 468 either so I can't imagine it happening. There's more to it than sheer HP but that's a whole different topic.

    Here are some of the other wheel-driven speed records- none of which were acomplished on public roads!!!!!

    John Cobb's Railton used a pair of engine with 2,500 HP total and ran 394MPH in 1947[​IMG]

    In 1965 the Summer brothers' Goldenrod used 4 blown Hemis with 2,400 HP combined and ran 409MPH[​IMG]

    Mickey Thompson's 4 Pontiacs in the Challenger had 2,800 HP combined and ran 406 MPH in 1960 but didn't make an official return run for the record.

    In 2004 the Burkland brother's #411 used 2 V-8s with 4,000 HP total and ran 417 MPH for the fastest piston engine record

    In the wheel-driven gas turbine category Donald Campbell's 5,000 HP Bluebird ran 403 in 1964

    Don Vesco's Turbinator had 3,750 HP and holds the wheel driven record at 458 MPH set in 2001[​IMG]
     
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    And dont forget the Auto Union V16 Type C Streamliner (which had 'only' around 520bhp), which crashed violently at 270mph on the same day Caracciola set that record, killing Bernd Rosemeyer, who along with Tazio Nuvolari, was one of the greatest pre war drivers...

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    Whether it could have achieved that speed I do not know, however on the Autobahn I dont think it would be that hard.

    It is not a highway in that sense. It is like an interstate, is very wide, very well upkept and has many long straight stretches.

    The best part of the Autobahn: No speed limits in most areas! Not that I can go fast in my car.
     
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    263 MPH is a far cry from 470 MPH. And in Southern California we have freeways that rival anything anywhere but attempting to run at that speed is just suicide. Up until 1935 Sir Malcolm Campbell even ran on the packed sand at Daytona Beach. But 276 was the max. He went to Bonneville to achieve 301 MPH. The Geroge Eyston and John Cobb held the records that escalated from 312 to 369 MPH at Bonneville.

    The LSR requires 2 runs through the measured mile in opposite directions within a specified time for the record to be sanctioned. The reason for using a place like Bonneville is that obviously it is safer due to the fact that the driving surfice is infinite in relative terms to the speed record and a road is not. Times are chosen for record runs when wind is nill or light. The vast open area of the salt flats makes for less air movement when no weather fronts are involved to push the air around. There are more dead calm opportunities. Tens of miles are required to achieve top speed velocity just like aircraft. The vast open area of the salt flats is far superior to any concrete roadway of finite width and straight sections.

    The simple fact that all the vehicles that came later took over half a century to achieve 458 MPH tells me that the T-80 would have failed. It might have done OK at Bonneville but not on the Autobahn.
     
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    That's a beautiful car, IMO... Don't think it would have reached the desired speed, though. The "wings" appear to be angled to give some downforce, chich is good, but I doubt the tire/wheel rotating assembly would hold up to 400+ miles per hour. We have a hard time with that now, even on the Bonneville Salt Flats or the Muroc dry lake bed...
     
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