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Feldwebel Erich Paczia (I/JG53) was killed in the collision.
And the B-17 was repaired and flew again but by precaution only as utility plane.
Some of y'all just don't want to acknowledge that the myths you grew up with about this wonderful topic of military aviation were just that - myths.
Writing a lot of books doesn't make one correct. It only means they wrote a lot of books.Your objections to the concept just aren't coherent, and Shores wrote a lot of different books, going back to the 60s.
Writing a lot of books doesn't make one correct. It only means they wrote a lot of books.
Shores COULD be 100% correct, at least by his definitions.
Doesn't mean his definitions are my definitions, and that means the numbers will easily change depending on what your definitions are of a victory, loss, probable, damaged, etc.
I do not claim Shores is correct or incorrect at this time. I keep trying to arrive at the definition of a victory, loss, opertional loss, "other" loss, etc. As of today, nobody appears willing to define how they think these categories should be defined. It's impossible to even start counting if you donlt know what you are counting.
I keep trying to arrive at the definition of a victory, loss, opertional loss, "other" loss, etc. As of today, nobody appears willing to define how they think these categories should be defined.
Yes, the SU was a very bureaucratic state and produced an immense amount of documents. There are gaps in the wartime documentary collections, but mostly from the summer of 1941 to autumn and the summer of 1942, the times of big military catastrophes for them.BINGO! This sums it all up. People want to live in their fantasies and if the truth hurts they can't accept it. People will jump through all kinds of hoops to keep the myth of their favourite pilot alive. Even when the losses are right there they will reject it.
And about accident losses vs combat losses. I read Soviet reports, and the reports will state very clearly what the cause of the loss is. So if an aircraft's engine got damaged by an enemy fighter and later on many km or miles it ends up crashing, the report will say that. It will describe how the aircraft encountered enemy aircraft, got hit by the enemy, flew to another location and then crashed later on. This ensures we can always tell the difference between accidents and combat related losses.
By the way, the Soviet records and reports are E-X-C-E-L-L-E-N-T. The detail they provide is incredible and sometimes overwhelming. They tell us the amount of ammunition used, the serial number of the aircraft, the time of the loss, the location of the loss, the pilot of the aircraft, the type of mission being flown, the events that led to the loss and even things like the angle that the plane was attacked at.
Some pilots really did destroy loads of aircraft, and some others were a bit optimistic and the aircraft they damaged landed safely. A few pilots straight up lied, although this was rare and thankfully most claims were honest.
The Japanese also record stuff like the total amount of rounds of ammunition expended etc.
You start by defining blue. Hello, McFly ...With this kind of logic you could argue that the sky isn't blue.
You start by defining blue. Hello, McFly ...
If you want to talk about victories and losses, you START by defining what a victory means and what your various loss categories.
None of my loss categories include a requirement that they show up on enemy loss lists. I already covered tghat too many times.
Actually its the other way around. P&W and Wright designed their engines for military use then adapted them for commercial use. A major reason radials had better reliability is they had somewhat lower BMEP. For example the BMEP for the R-2800-21 at takeoff and rated power were 95% and 92% respectively of that of the V-1710-89. Another issue is liquid cooled engines typically run at higher rpm.My suspicion is that US radials were derived from commercial aircraft designs, while most aviation V-12s were military in origin, and armed forces, in peacetime, use their aircraft much less than airlines. This is probably starker today, as, from the specs I've read, military aircraft operate only about four hundred hours per year, while commercial ones in airline service operate about ten times that.
I don't know how applicable the above is to non-US engines.
None of my loss categories include a requirement that they show up on enemy loss lists. I already covered tghat too many times.
Not explicit but seems a reasonable inference from Part 3:Could you please cite a source on the Soviet pilots' habit of flying at full throttle? I have other information - for example, pilots kept the airspeed too low in thunderstorm clouds causing crashes, so they were instructed to increase the airspeed in such conditions.
The service life of the ASh-73TK was relatively low and reliability of the early series was abysmal, but the situation was gradually improved. Interestingly, the problems with the ASh-73 (without turbochargers), which were installed on Be-6 flying boats, were much less - they are not mentioned much at all.
I read Golodnikov's interview, as well as dozens of other memoirs by Soviet fighter pilots. But in this case, we were talking exclusively about B-29/Tu-4 pilots.
The statement in the post you replied to was that Soviet pilots in general had the habit of flying at full throttle, which they possibly had to modify when flying the Tu-4.I read Golodnikov's interview, as well as dozens of other memoirs by Soviet fighter pilots. But in this case, we were talking exclusively about B-29/Tu-4 pilots.
The statement in the post you replied to was that Soviet pilots in general had the habit of flying at full throttle, which they possibly had to modify when flying the Tu-4.
It is clear that this refers only to B-29/Tu-4 pilots, and not to all Soviet pilots. Otherwise, it would be written "its [in relation to the USSR] pilots." In addition, fighter pilots were usually highly unwanted in the bomber units in the post-war USSR.Their pilots' habit of using full throttle in flight may have changed for these engines.
No offence, I don't think English is your first language?It is clear that this refers only to B-29/Tu-4 pilots, and not to all Soviet pilots. Otherwise, it would be written "its [in relation to the USSR] pilots."
Indeed, even you saidMakes one wonder how the USSR did with their engines on the three B-29s they had, as well as the Tu-4s to follow. Their [USSR] pilots' habit of using full throttle in flight may have changed for these [B-29 and Tu-4] engines.
Which is why I answered you with the source I did. Apparently, I was wasting my time, but no one has suggested the B-29 and Tu-4 pilots habitually flew at full throttle.Could you please cite a source on the Soviet [not just B-29 and Tu-4] pilots' habit of flying at full throttle?
This is obvious, as well as the fact that the context referred exclusively to bomber pilots.No offence, I don't think English is your first language?
Your comments are out of context and distort the meaning of the phrase.The statement - with my comments in [ ] - was
I regret that your undoubtedly outstanding language skills were not sufficient to understand that the reference was exclusively to Tu-4/B-29 pilots. And please do not speak on behalf of everyone.Which is why I answered you with the source I did. Apparently, I was wasting my time, but no one has suggested the B-29 and Tu-4 pilots habitually flew at full throttle.