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Don't want to get into this again, but lower wingloading doesn't necessarily give an advantage. ie if the higher wingloading a/c (ie 109) had a significantly higher CL (coeficient of lift), this would mean no lift loading advantage. (which the 109 did by Soren's figures; due to the higher lift airfoil and LE slats, 1.7 compared to the Spit's 1.34 iirc)
Of course power loading (particularly), and aerodynamic cleanliness (and other aerodynamic featurs, or faults) come into play as well.
Kfurst do you have figures for the 109's CLmax? Particularly to compare to the 1.7 figure.
RAE tests got the same number
Wow, where does one start?
Kurfurst: Seriously, Austers? Hop gives you the number of "fighters" shot down by these units, and you throw in the number of unarmed spotter planes they shot down?
So in May 44 they used 61 of 68 Mk XIVs to convert two squadrons to the type. New type, very fast, lots of interest in them, makes sense to get them out there and see what they can do. You interpret this as "rushing them into service". Fair enough, but 6 months later they had half the Mk XIVs in reserve. What happened to "rushing them into service"? .
The really intersting thing is that only 314 of the K4's made up till January 45 were with frontline units? You maintain that the Spitfire Mk XIV was rare, not a presence, of little importance, in few numbers,(not quoting, just summarizing) yet you tell us that only 1/4 of the K4's were in combat? You aren't seriously suggesting that we believe that a desperate nation surrounded by millions of advancing hostile troops, bombed practically back to the stone age, it's armies pushed out of France, Italy, North Africa, Russia, etc, etc, with Soviet troops poised to cross the Oder, was keeping 3/4s of its best and latest fighters in reserve?
I would think lack of pilots, lack of fuel, lack of bases to operate from, and a severe attrition rate would have more to do with it. Particularly the attrition rate. .
Bada:
Most MkXIVs had either the normal span wing, or the extended wing tip wing. Even with clipped wings, wing loading was still less than any 109 in service. Short wing, maybe, but it was wide as well.
BTW, the Mk XIV reached its top speed at 8000 meters, the K4 reached its top speed at around 7000 meters.
i NEVER saw a picture of a mk14 with "full-wings", never a drawing or even a pilot account. So, on this one, i'm hard-headed, i stay on my opinion
Hi Mitya,
Do you have information on La 7 and Yak 3 montly production, how many was issued to frontline fighter regiments etc ?
Thanks in advance,
KF
Я не так перевел!!! Типа соррии... Я не на то умножил!!! У меня вышло примерно 570 км/ч. Почему я и удивился. Надо было на 1,609,а я что-то не то сделал...Тезка, не сочти за грубость, но посмотри сначала в книжки, прежде чем гыгыкать 8)
Hey Bada, that's great info. Could you do the same for the other two in the pic with readable serials?
They are RB159 (not RS, its just a trick of the light) and RB150. I can't make out the one at the back but I think it may be RB155.