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With V12 layout, there is no blind alley called 'no center bearing', for engineers to enter and waste 5-10 years.
No, it wasn't. Allisons and Merlins had trouble with mixture distribution. Not all cylinders got the same amount of fuel/air mixture and not all cylinders got the same mixture at the same time. certain cylinders got different ratio mixtures (richer or leaner) than it's neighbors and power was limited to the what the leanest cylinder/s in the engine could make without detonating. Radials were not perfect (R-3350) but it was easier.The long intake tubing was being dealt with by the time of 1st supercharged in-lines (early 1930s).
The in-line engine also offers easy way to have 4 valve per cylinder, not present on multi-row radials (and one of reasons why Bristol embraced sleeve valve technology, so another thing where money does not have to be spent)
87 oct fuel was best what it gotten (no 130 grade for Italians),
BMW much improved the basic Hornet design, ie. they increased the finning area,
However, with Tank's airfoil and spinner design, the penalty was reduced, particularly when compared to other radial types.Cooling drag of BMW 801D was almost the twice of what Jumo 213A was making, equivalents of 0.786 vs. 0.42 sq ft; engine power was in the ballpark. The drag of fuselage of Fw 190A-8 was also bigger than that of the Fw 190D-9, despite the D-9 having also the 60 cm rear fus
Not sure why you are calling the center bearing a blind ally? something missing in translation?
Here we run into some real questions. Yes you can use 4 valves easier on the inline/V-12.
Should you? 4 valves may present a problem in cooling the cylinder head. The more valves (and valve gear and ports/passages) in the head the more difficult it is to cool the head. That is get the amount of finning you want with clear, direct paths from the hot spots to the fins.
For air cooled engines the problem was that they could not make as much use of high octane fuel as a liquid cooled engine without better cooling.
Yes they did, as did Wright with every generation (model) of the R-1820. Trouble here is that it sometimes took a change in manufacturing techniques to get the increased fin area.
Like going from cast heads to forged, or using ganged slitting saws to cut the fins. If you don't have the production machinery you can't make the design you have on paper.
The Hercules went from under 600 sq in of fin (development) just on the head to well into the 700s during the war. It changed from aluminium to a copper alloy after the war for the high powered post war versions.
What stage of manufacturing expertise do you have when you want the V-12s to replace the two row radials? what is needed and does it exist?
I've said 'no center bearing' blind alley - the path taken by the French and most of Italian designs.
Some air cooled engines gained 20% power when 100 oct fuel was used, like the Mercury. Hercules was also allowed for greater boost with 'better' fuel, same with BMW 801D once the valve- and spark-plug related problems were solved.
Some liquid cooled engines barely gained 10% due to hi-oct fuel, like the HS 12Y and it's offsprings (unless they gained 50% extra weight due to strengthening), or the DB 601 series.
So not everything was cut and dry.
BMW 132 went from 660 HP (Hornet under licence) to 960 HP before the war.
Not to replace two row radials, but to be made instead of them, and not just V12s.
Most of the stuff already exists.
A lot depends on timing.
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Where in the 10 years does the air cooled V-12 fall?
quite true. But the 12Y was also a late 20s engine and had never been intended to operate at the pressures and RPM that later engines were. Using early 1930s air cooled cylinders in the basic engine design and then claiming you can use the higher power per cylinder that later models were operated at using 100 octane fuel isn't quite right.
Ans what were the changes?
translation problem? replace might mean instead of, depends on context. But I understand your meaning to be that in the late 20s/early 30s the engine designers go with the V-12s (or X-16s/X24s of H engines) instead of the two row radial. However there is a trap/dead end there.
As the radials were developed for more power they got a lot more finning. Already mentioned the Pegasus, the R-1820 went from from about 600 sq in of fin area on the head alone (not counting the cylinder barrel) of 600 sq in in 1931 to 1000 sq in in 1934. in 1935 they went to just under 2000 sq in and by 1939 they were at about 2300 sq in , including the barrel they were over 2800 sq in. the depth of the cylinder head fins went from about .75in in 1931 to 1.5in in 1935 to 2.25 in 1939.
If you design a V-12 crankcase to hold 1931 cylinders you won't have enough space to fit 1939 cylinders without cropping the fins. If you allow for extra space between the cylinders to allow for future growth you have a longer, heavier crankshaft and crankcase than needed for the power being made in the early 30s and you have made the torsional vibration problem worse. Without the late 1930s cylinders you won't get the power you are looking for no matter what fuel you put in the tank because you can't cool the cylinders without enough fin area.
In principle yes, in practice no.
RR designed, in 15 years, 6 different engine lines (Buzzard, Kestrel, Merlin, Exe, Vulture, Pennine, Eagle 46), plus 4 substantial redesigns of previous engines ('R', Goshawk, Griffon, Peregrine). Plus change in head and block of Merlin.