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Here is what one website says........
Losses
but I'm questioning how valid it is. I know someone will have some different statistics.
I know the JG52 shot down 10,000 planes flying Me109s and during the battle of Britain ME 109s shot down at least 600 or more so how many?did this plane shot down 50,000 planes?
A question i have wanted to know for a very long time and i do know the answer will never be fully known but would love input from you guys.
The russians lost 104,000 planes in WW2,
Tiger!
I not saying the ME109 did shot down 50,000 planes but from losses of WW2 planes fighting Germany(i guess 150,000planes) and that it was the main fighter for Germany was for all of WW2 was the ME109(33-35,000 made) leads to one big number how many well?
"Aircraft losses
Finland: Reported losses during the Winter War totaled 67, of which 42 were operational, while 536 aircraft were lost during the Continuation War, of which 209 were operational losses. (Overall 603).[1]
France: From the beginning of the war until the capitulation of France in 1940, 892 aircraft were lost, of which 413 were in action and 234 were on the ground. Losses included 508 fighters and 218 bombers.(Overall 892)[1]
Germany: Estimated total losses for the war totaled 27,875 aircraft, of which 7,000 were total losses and the remainder significantly damaged. By type, losses totaled 4,452 fighters, 2,037 bombers, 5,428 trainers, 1,221 twin-engine fighters, 8,548 ground attack, 3,733 reconnaissance, and 3,141 transports.[1]
Italy: Total losses were 5,272 aircraft, of which 3,269 were lost in combat.
Japan: Estimates vary from 35,000 to 50,000 total losses, with about 20,000 lost operationally.[2]
Netherlands: Total losses were 81 aircraft during the May, 1940 campaign.[2]
Poland: Total losses were 398 destroyed, including 116 fighters, 112 dive bombers, 81 reconnaissance aircraft, 36 bombers, 21 sea planes, and 9 transports.[2]
Soviet Union: Total losses were over 106,400 including 88,300 combat types.[3]
United Kingdom: Total losses in Europe were 22,010, including 10,045 fighters and 11,965 bombers. (This figure does not include aircraft lost in Asia or the Pacific.)[2]
United States: Total losses were nearly 45,000, including 22,951 operational losses (18,418 in Europe and 4,533 in the Pacific) this was from one of the guys here.
I don`t have the answer only the question but it is interesting.
Tiger!
Germany: Estimated total losses for the war totaled 27,875 aircraft, of which 7,000 were total losses and the remainder significantly damaged. By type, losses totaled 4,452 fighters, 2,037 bombers, 5,428 trainers, 1,221 twin-engine fighters, 8,548 ground attack, 3,733 reconnaissance, and 3,141 transports.[1]
Germany: Estimated total losses for the war totaled 27,875 aircraft, of which 7,000 were total losses and the remainder significantly damaged[1]
This are not my stats i got them for this site some guy posted and i am not claiming that there Real.From 1939 to 1945 Germany produced 120.000 military aircraft. If 27.875 of them were lost, what happened to the other 90.000?
Aliens rented and flew them to Mars, right?
What are your sources for Germany and USSR
He uses Krivosheiev's sources.
In reality it sounds like thay
on 22/06/41 red army had 32 100 (17 900 combat planes) planes
on 10 may 1945 : 64 200 (47 300)
Between those days RA recieved altogether 138 500 soviet and foreign planes (77 500)
So the losses were 170 600-64 200 = 106 400 for all reason, include natural wear an tear.
So by no way it should be compared with american german, english, german data. The good point it's that soviet losses list is complete, since balance~ 0.
Regards
VG-33
I know the JG52 shot down 10,000 planes flying Me109s and during the battle of Britain ME 109s shot down at least 600 or more so how many?did this plane shot down 50,000 planes?
A question i have wanted to know for a very long time and i do know the answer will never be fully known but would love input from you guys.
The russians lost 104,000 planes in WW2,
Tiger!
I agree the inventory balance approsach for total losses. The more interesting number is a relatively accurate separation of losses by category (air to air; ops-weather, mechanical, fuel; flak, starfing; accidents)
It will be difficult, so for instance for 1944 year, the VVS KA, (without other soviet air forces as VVS VMF-fleet air force, VVS PVO-Anti - aircraf defense air forces, ADD - long range AF, GVF -civilian, DOOSAAF -etc...) lost 19 379 combat planes of all reasons. From gen Alexeïenko datas
- 7 973 written off in front line units due to combat action
- 2 462 WO in front LU for accidents
- 3 149 WO in FLU for wear (overpassing engine or airfraime TBO)
- the others 5795 were written off in rear line units (training ,-schools, strategical reserve..)
- 63 missed in action or due to combat (taxying an airplane to front line units from rear airports was considered as a war mission)
- 1 288 WO in accidents
- 4 444 WO for wear
We can also say that in 1944 soviet airforce lost 5 700 non - combat planes,
- but 700 of them for combat reasons. It was such planes as Polikarpov Po-2, R-5, Li-2 used in night bombing-intruder missions.
The problem with 7 973 lost in combat plane, is that 70-75% were lost for unknown reasons (MIA). Some others sources quoted only 7 286 planes, since a lot of them MIA, were founded afterwards in neighbour's airbases in safe conditions, or just force-launded on the ground with little damage, and returned to service then.
In conclusion, we will never know even approched numbers of soviet aircraft shot by the Luft in general, and Me-109 in particular case.Just speculative exercises with any kind of intersest, but some have obviously time to waste...
VG-33