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Aircraft losses are certainly important but even more important are PILOT losses. As pilots are killed they are replaced but as the war progresses the replacements are of lower and lower quality which in turn accelerates the loss of aircraft and lowers kill ratios. Germany could never hope to equal the US ability to manufacture aircraft or field quality pilots. The Germans on the western front were indeed overwhelmed by sheer numers of aircraft and pilots
Indeed Steve, they could move as much as they could underground in fact my understanding is that Germany was littered with many of the latest brand new a/c types Germany had at wars end but without trained pilots to fly them, or fuel to power them - and they had neither, there really wasn't much point in that (astonishing under the circumstances) production.
Indeed Steve, they could move as much as they could underground in fact my understanding is that Germany was littered with many of the latest brand new a/c types Germany had at wars end but without trained pilots to fly them, or fuel to power them - and they had neither, there really wasn't much point in that (astonishing under the circumstances) production.
But one can't help coming back to the delusional mindset of the disintegrating state back then, they ended the war calling up 13yr old children, it simply beggars belief.....and they and their slightly older brothers were meant to fly Heinkel 162 jets.....and God only knows where they were supposed to get the rudimentary glider time that was supposed to be the training for the jets!?
It's simply staggering.....but in its own way as indicative of the total destruction of the (as someone once coined the phrase) 'whole rotten edifice'.
in every time and even more during the NAZI regime Germany had a very strong bureaucracy and you need documents and papers for all and everything so claiming a wrong age during recruiting is not easy but could occur in some few cases.
cimmex
The allies certainly found plenty of the latest aircraft in various states littering German airfields at the end of the war.
There is a common misconception that the ramming attacks of Sonderkommando Elbe were carried out using old and tired aircraft. This is not so. I was recently reading an account by Werner Zell of his one and only special mission and he had selected a brand new Bf 109 K-4 for the job. His only modification was to remove the rear/head armour (Galland panzer) as he had heard that this could hit you on the head when the canopy was jettisoned.
He survived despite being badly injured in the ramming and then being machine gunned in his parachute by a P-51. He later counted 19 holes in his parachute.
Cheers
Steve
The figures for the USAAF come from the "USAAF Office of Statistical Supply,HQ USAAF" and represent the total number of combat planes,by type,in both the ETO and MTO.
The RAF numbers come from the Central Statistical Office and likewise represent totals in both theatres.
Both certainly represent the total numbers in theatre,not just those operational.
Don't forget the Luftwaffe numbers,from OKL documents,which I posted represent total strength in all theatres,including the Eastern Front,also including those non operational.
Cheers
Steve
13 year old???
13 year old??? Even in 1945 boys had to be at least 16 to join the army. My uncle just reached age 16, wanted to join in spring 45 but was rejected because already three of his brothers had died in the war in the East. This is what my mother (born 1931) told me some years ago.
cimmex
I agree, Volkssturm was a different matter and HJ boys were used to assist the Flak crews or for similar tasks but never were chosen to fly the He162. This plane was to valuable and nobody would risk to destroy property of the Luftwaffe by children.
cimmex
I'm sure you're right.....and there is some merit in this opinion, no doubt, it was a serious set of losses (as in fact were all the losses from Poland and on to France) that would later reveal themselves as very costly.
But it also has to be bourne in mind on any discussion of the German view of the eastern front that despite the obvious results some Germans were loath to admit they had actually suffered defeat on the EF at all.
It was always due to losses demands elsewhere and not really down to any significant defeat at the hands of the Russian forces.
Nazi ideology at work I think.
But surely it is well known understood that the plan was for Hitler Youth (and any other barely trained unfortunates they could scrape up) to fly these jets?
What about the Russians saying they didn't needed allies? Communist ideology at work?
Not really. This originates with comments made by Ernst Heinkel after the war. He suggested that the original intention was that the craft should be flown by inexperienced pilots. This is reinforced by the confusing name "Volksjager".
There is no evidence that I've seen from Luftwaffe sources that this was ever contemplated by the Luftwaffe itself.
Infact the handling made it a difficult machine to fly,even for experienced pilots.
The He 162 was operated only by JG 1,by qualified Luftwaffe pilots.
Cheers
Steve