pinehilljoe
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- May 1, 2016
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Tornado. Subcontracted. Yes. But to another company/factory within the Hawker Siddeley Aircraft group stable. Avro tooled up and produced 1 aircraft of some 896 planned. So production didn't stray far from home. In the same way Gloster became a second source for first Hurricane and then Typhoon.Hawkers submitted preliminary designs for the Typhoon and Tornado prior to the specification being issued in 1937 metal skinned wings didnt start being fitted to the Hurricane until 1939 and was still going on during the BoB. Accepting the Hurricane with linen and dope wings while work went ahead with the next generation of fighters is exactly what I see as it being a stop gap. The priority was just to get planes into production and pilots and crews trained. Then the war intervened and with improvements to the Merlin 100 Octane fuel etc it could be made a competitive aircraft. By the time the Tornado flew and was ordered the orders were subcontracted so as not to interfere with Hurricane production and then cancelled with the Vulture engine.
Really???Hurricane - Low risk monoplane derivative of the Fury biplane fighter
If you think the Brits were inefficient in pursuing two distinct single-seat, single-engine monoplane fighter programs, check out the French.In contrast to Germans who totally cast aside He112 and He100 in favor of Bf109,The British decided to adopted both the Hurricane and Spitfire at the same time. Why is that?
Sorry - the final product Hurricane/ Fury were two different aircraft, built differently, performed differently, looked different!!!Really yes, its was the Fury monoplane in its original proposal,
Hurricane - Low risk monoplane derivative of the Fury biplane fighter - quickest way to get a monoplane fighter into service - dates from early 30's
The more advanced all metal Spitfire came later.
The Hurricane was only a place holder while the Hawker Tornado, the Spitfires contemporary, was developed.
Low risk? Didn't even keep the nameHurricane - Low risk monoplane derivative of the Fury biplane fighter
I suppose the idea is that it's easier to go from Fury to Hurricane than from Fury to Typhoon. Then again, the same firm's Gloster subsidiary went from Gladiator to Meteor, skipping the intermediary steps entirely.Low risk? Didn't even keep the name
Gloster built a crap load of Hurricanes (with metal wings) and built about all but 15 of the production Typhoons.I suppose the idea is that it's easier to go from Fury to Hurricane than from Fury to Typhoon. Then again, the same firm's Gloster subsidiary went from Gladiator to Meteor, skipping the intermediary steps entirely.
That's a derivative of the Fury...Gloster built a crap load of Hurricanes (with metal wings) and built about all but 15 of the production Typhoons.
They had entered a bunch of design competitions even if none were selected, and let's not ever forget the
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they did get it up to 466mph (after a few years) which isn't bad for a Gladiator derivative.
Just look at the canopy hood, it's got Gladiator all over it.
The Slip wing was actually supposed to be a fancy drop tank. Mount wing which carried extra fuel over the normal mono-plane. Take-off with the reduced wing loading provided by the extra wing surface, detach wing as fuel is gone and continue on as a normal airplane to destination.the "slip-wing" Hurri was a one-off concept.
I suppose the idea is that it's easier to go from Fury to Hurricane than from Fury to Typhoon. Then again, the same firm's Gloster subsidiary went from Gladiator to Meteor, skipping the intermediary steps entirely.
How dare you, the Sabre will be sorted out by next month! maybe the month after.................maybe the month after.....................................for sure the month after that.Especially since at the time the Hurricane was being developed there was an engine suitable for it in early development, whereas there were no engines suitable for the Typhoon beyond even the earliest proposals.
I was more thinking the all metal skin, a first for Hawker with their Typhoon was a further leap between the fabric on frame Fury and Hurricane. I wonder what Hawker would have made with a Merlin on an all-metal airframe spec?Especially since at the time the Hurricane was being developed there was an engine suitable for it in early development, whereas there were no engines suitable for the Typhoon beyond even the earliest proposals.