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Except for the lack of high speed aileron control part
At the fall of France the numbers were almost exactly 50/50 with 250 each . Production of Hurricanes was higher and so, while the Spitfire was the better aircraft at least in the early days the number of Hurricane squadrons increased more than the Spitfire.I think (open to correction) that Hurricanes made up about 60-70% of the single seat fighters so naturally they shot down more German planes than the Spitfire.
Most sources say the Spitfires (and their pilots) lasted a few days longer on average than the Hurricanes. I don't know if it was enough longer to justify the difference in price of the aircraft but it turns out that pilots are not cheap, despite what some pre-war planners thought.
As far as easy to fly, are we talking about the difference between easy and really easy
or something that has some real significance. (more than a single digit difference in accident rate?)
the Spitfire was an inspiration, a motivational tool for the government in ramping up production of all aircraft types.
This is often repeated by I am not sure how much documentation backs it up. It also was unworkable in the realities of actual warfare.
As far as easy to fly, are we talking about the difference between easy and really easy
or something that has some real significance. (more than a single digit difference in accident rate?)
I was generally of the same opinion until recently, but lately I've come across a few Fighter Command tactical papers that mention this very thing.
Any details on the 'only headrest armour' bit? I've not heard that before, but considering the complications involved in fitting the lower plates (pipe lines etc.) I could see that being a short-term expediency.
The BoB was won by pilots not aircraft and the pilots of Hurricanes had a much higher chance of ending in the guinea pig club for many reasons.
The Hurricane did shoot down most of the enemy aircraft, mainly because it composed the bulk of the RAF defending British skies. I don't have the statistics here, but I believe that the aircraft shot down and their own losses were not in proportion to the number in operation. Both statistics favour the Spitfire.
As far as easy to fly, are we talking about the difference between easy and really easy
From using fabric ailerons, or from wing warping?
The former was solved by retrofitting metal ailerons - not sure if that was for the BoB.
The latter happened at a speed the Hurricane could not reach.
On the subject of ease of use ... one thing I've stumbled upon that you never see mentioned anywhere is the much higher accident rate of the Hurricane due to the fuel system -- which requires the pilot to switch between the three tanks.
eg: in 1941 both types had about 300,000 flying hours and the Hurricane had 80 accidents (relating to the fuel system) and the Spitfire had 8.
ok - converted a few pages from Leigh-Mallory's report. This was in AIR 16/281
In keeping with the title of this thread, the old Hurricane does have some impressive stats. Most everyone knows tha hurricanes shot down more ea in the BoB ,than all other defenses combined, one statistic that isn't as well known is that Hurricanes share of claims made by RAF fighters is 55% for the entire war. I
I don't know where Mason got these figures. The Spitfire claimed somewhere between 10,000 and 11,000 kills, while the greatest number I've seen for the Hurricane is 9000, but seems more likely to be about 5-6000.
I believe what Mason is refering to is kills "credited to RAF fighters during the war". So, not post war recounts or total claims, but official credits awarded.
I don't know where Mason got these figures. The Spitfire claimed somewhere between 10,000 and 11,000 kills, while the greatest number I've seen for the Hurricane is 9000, but seems more likely to be about 5-6000.
Mason states very clearly where he got the information " traceable air to air combat reports (forms 1151)", Where is your source from?
I believe what Mason is refering to is kills "credited to RAF fighters during the war". So, not post war recounts or total claims, but official credits awarded.
"compared with the claims recorded in 11,400 traceable air to air combat reports(Forms 1151), covering all RAF fighter pilots claims, 55 percent were by Hurricane pilots, 33 percent by Spitfire pilots and 12 percent by pilots of other fighters." Francis K Mason, "The Hawker Hurricane", page 211.
I think (open to correction) that Hurricanes made up about 60-70% of the single seat fighters so naturally they shot down more German planes than the Spitfire.
Most sources say the Spitfires (and their pilots) lasted a few days longer on average than the Hurricanes. I don't know if it was enough longer to justify the difference in price of the aircraft but it turns out that pilots are not cheap, despite what some pre-war planners thought.
As far as easy to fly, are we talking about the difference between easy and really easy
or something that has some real significance. (more than a single digit difference in accident rate?)
I could be wrong but I think the Hurricane was easier, cheaper, and quicker to manufacture. Probably it was more important to have an good supply of good enough planes than to have a small force of great planes.