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radius of action, as apposed to range, was determined by internal fuel.As an example, what effect could you see happening by trading two guns (leaving 6) for wingtip tanks on a P-47, when range was still an issue and bomber crews were being lost in tens of dozens?
At least 5 Cavalier Mustangs sold/transferred to El Salvador and took place in the Soccer War/ 100 Hour War where a Captain Soto put his name in the history books downing Mustangs in a Corsair in what is considered the last air war pitting piston engine fighters against each other. Assuming, that is, SOCOM. Sky Wardens never match up against Taliban Super Tucanos. Something, I hope I never see, but, I would kinda like to see…While your post above is true, A-26Ks are not single-seat fighters and Cavalier Mustangs never went into service with anyone. For service aircraft, I can think only of some early jets like the P-80, F-84, and maybe the FJ-1 with tip tanks. Looking forward from early jets, the rest have the fuel much more toward the centerline once they realized how limiting tip tanks were when the volume was anything other than nominal.
The F-86 and FJ-2 and above didn't have them, and neither did any mass-produced WWII fighters have tip tanks that I can think of offhand. There aren't any U.S., UK, German, Japanese, Italian, or any other major WWII aircraft of the single-seat, single-engine fighter variety I can think of with tip tanks that went into service with tip tanks. Their relative dearth tells me that tip tanks on a fighter aren't a good idea and weren't embraced by anyone very much other than maybe a single try at it per company. The Vampire/Vixen might have had small ones, but don't look for them very much after that. Once they figured out the disadvantages, tip tanks pretty much disappeared from high-performance fighters.
You very certainly don't see them on fighters after about 1960 or so.
They DO show up on non-fighter aircraft, particularly multiengine planes. Maybe not tip tanks, but outboard tanks to help with wing flex-loading. The B-52 has tip-tank-like engine pods that help the wing stiffness. There are plenty of example of outboard tanks and engine, but ... really, very few actual tip tanks.
I like the Cessna 310s look with tip tanks, but maybe that's just me.
Soto was a student of my former neighbor who was a WW2 combat pilot. He said Soto was his star student and was not surprised by his success.At least 5 Cavalier Mustangs sold/transferred to El Salvador and took place in the Soccer War/ 100 Hour War where a Captain Soto put his name in the history books downing Mustangs in a Corsair in what is considered the last air war pitting piston engine fighters against each other. Assuming, that is, SOCOM. Sky Wardens never match up against Taliban Super Tucanos. Something, I hope I never see, but, I would kinda like to see…
Hmmm. Do F9F Panther and F2H Banshee ring a bell?While your post above is true, A-26Ks are not single-seat fighters and Cavalier Mustangs never went into service with anyone. For service aircraft, I can think only of some early jets like the P-80, F-84, and maybe the FJ-1 with tip tanks. Looking forward from early jets, the rest have the fuel much more toward the centerline once they realized how limiting tip tanks were when the volume was anything other than nominal.
The F-86 and FJ-2 and above didn't have them, and neither did any mass-produced WWII fighters have tip tanks that I can think of offhand. There aren't any U.S., UK, German, Japanese, Italian, or any other major WWII aircraft of the single-seat, single-engine fighter variety I can think of with tip tanks that went into service with tip tanks. Their relative dearth tells me that tip tanks on a fighter aren't a good idea and weren't embraced by anyone very much other than maybe a single try at it per company. The Vampire/Vixen might have had small ones, but don't look for them very much after that. Once they figured out the disadvantages, tip tanks pretty much disappeared from high-performance fighters.
You very certainly don't see them on fighters after about 1960 or so.
They DO show up on non-fighter aircraft, particularly multiengine planes. Maybe not tip tanks, but outboard tanks to help with wing flex-loading. The B-52 has tip-tank-like engine pods that help the wing stiffness. There are plenty of example of outboard tanks and engine, but ... really, very few actual tip tanks.
I like the Cessna 310s look with tip tanks, but maybe that's just me.
On a single-seat fighter, nobody would want wingtip tanks.
You wouldn't happen to know where the training took place?Soto was a student of my former neighbor who was a WW2 combat pilot. He said Soto was his star student and was not surprised by his success.
I found an excellent article regarding the planes in the war WITH first hand commentary by some interesting cats whites to bring the Salvadorans to speed (no pun intendedFrom memory of several article on the war, the Cavalier Mustangs used for combat in the soccer war were not equipped with tip tanks (Models 2000 or 2500). They instead shorter-range models (Models 750, 1200, 1500) with a second seat and a tall fin. I saw some pics several times in the past, and there weren't any tip tanks in them.
Combat with tip tanks would NOT have been a good thing! The tip-tank models likely made decent COIN airplanes, but not decent dogfighters, particularly if there was any fuel in the tip tanks.
Hmmm. Do F9F Panther and F2H Banshee ring a bell?
You missed the La-11, which could indeed have tip tanks.While your post above is true, A-26Ks are not single-seat fighters and Cavalier Mustangs never went into service with anyone. For service aircraft, I can think only of some early jets like the P-80, F-84, and maybe the FJ-1 with tip tanks. Looking forward from early jets, the rest have the fuel much more toward the centerline once they realized how limiting tip tanks were when the volume was anything other than nominal.
The F-86 and FJ-2 and above didn't have them, and neither did any mass-produced WWII fighters have tip tanks that I can think of offhand. There aren't any U.S., UK, German, Japanese, Italian, or any other major WWII aircraft of the single-seat, single-engine fighter variety I can think of with tip tanks that went into service with tip tanks. Their relative dearth tells me that tip tanks on a fighter aren't a good idea and weren't embraced by anyone very much other than maybe a single try at it per company. The Vampire/Vixen might have had small ones, but don't look for them very much after that. Once they figured out the disadvantages, tip tanks pretty much disappeared from high-performance fighters.
You very certainly don't see them on fighters after about 1960 or so.
They DO show up on non-fighter aircraft, particularly multiengine planes. Maybe not tip tanks, but outboard tanks to help with wing flex-loading. The B-52 has tip-tank-like engine pods that help the wing stiffness. There are plenty of example of outboard tanks and engine, but ... really, very few actual tip tanks.
I like the Cessna 310s look with tip tanks, but maybe that's just me.
True - I can't recall the limit but I think bank angles over 30 degrees were prohibited. Now with tip tanks with the required capacity, aerobatics were allowed. One of the T-33s I worked on, when we did FCFs, we spent a lot of time upside down. I have some great shots of Lake Isabella somewhereMostly true above. The F-104 had flight restrictions when equipped with tip tanks as far as rolling and g-load. The F-5 was ALWAYS better without tip tanks and most had sidewinders instead. Yanks has a Taiwanese F-5 and it is fitted ONLY with wing tip missile rails, not droppable tanks.
A T-33 with full tip tanks is prohibited from any aerobatics. I believe the P-80 IS permitted aerobatics with tip tanks. I'd want them empty before flying aerobatics.