SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
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Actually (US)XB-1A demonstrated improved performance in comparison with the Bristol version equipped with a 300 hp Hispano-Suiza engine. It was a good attempt to build an "army cooperation" aircraft, albeit few available and late in the field. During the 1920-es U.S. Army Air Service favoured Liberty-powered DH-4M versions for the peacetime tasks at hand.
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flypaper2222
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It may have done better with the Hiiapano 300hp but they went on to the 12 cylinder liberty and added weight and then the engineering divsion got involved and added more weight, and ended up building the worst version. That doest sound like a good attempt since the original idea was to emulate the Bristol. As far as favoring the DH-4 versions I think it was "shit we got a boat load of these, lets work with that".
Curtiss with 300 Hisso 122 mph.
Bristol Bris-Fit 123 mph
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fubar57
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From my hometown paper today.... Powell River soldier among 44 under potato field
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If the ground contains unexploded munitions, how do they dig/harvest potatoes? - Yes, I know very carefully. Sounds like a French effort for more money.
A second aside, there is a small community "Ruddock" just off I-55 in south Louisiana.
flypaper2222
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1916 Schwade single seater
flypaper2222
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Sage II
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
The last two planes have me humming "Get that pigeon".
Thumpalumpacus
Colonel
Dick Dastardly definitely approves.
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The Sage cockpit was designed in France.
The rudder even look like Nieuport.
The rudder even look like Nieuport.
Good shots!
Just before 4 o'clock on the afternoon of 22 March 1918, Capt Albert H Vinson (instructor) and 2/Lt Edward L Gray (student) were killed aboard DH.6 s/n C7663 of No.13 Training Squadron at Yatesbury, England. The aircraft nose-dived to earth from a height of 200 ft and crashed just outside the north-western boundary of No.1 Aerodrome. Court of Enquiry 20783/1918 later concluded that, "…having examined the wreckage and considered the evidence, [the Court is] unable to form an opinion as to the cause of the accident, especially as Capt Vinson was an experienced pilot. The machine and engine were apparently in serviceable condition and are of the opinion that no blame can be attached to the rigger or fitter. The Court having carefully considered the evidence adheres to its previous finding, but is of the opinion that Capt Vinson was in a run-down state of health at the time of the accident".
A few years ago I visited the site and took a comparison shot: the obelisk in the background at right is the 1845 Lansdowne Monument, itself built on Oldbury Castle, an ancient hill fort which dates to 1,000 BC. The area below the monument was used as a rifle range during WW1.
Capt Albert Higgs Vinson was born on 8 January 1897 in Belvedere, Kent and direct from civilian life he applied for a commission in the Royal Flying Corps during November 1915; he was gazetted Temporary 2nd Lieutenant (on probation) in March 1916 prior to commencing his pilot training. That period of his career began with No.2 School of Military Aeronautics at Oxford on 6 April 1916 and from there on 11 May he passed for flight training on Maurice Farmans with No.6 Reserve Squadron at Catterick in Yorkshire. He took his Royal Aero Club Certificate there on 21 May.
Vinson's "Higher Training" on a service type began in Scotland with No.18 Reserve Squadron at Montrose on 22 May 1916 and he graduated there on 20 June. Concurrent with his graduation he joined No.53 Squadron at Catterick on appointment as Flying Officer at a time when the squadron was forming-up prior to departing for France with the A-W FK.3 biplane. However Vinson did not remain with 53 Sqn, and instead on 12 July 1916 he disembarked in France and joined BE.2-equipped No.15 Squadron at Marieux instead.
On 23 March 1917 Vinson collected new BE.2e s/n A3157 from Candas and he flew this aircraft on most of his sorties up to 6th April 1917, when with 2Lt Everard Leslie Champion Gwilt as his observer, he was shot down by an enemy aircraft whilst on a reconnaissance mission. Vinson's attacker was Ltn Werner Voss of Jasta 11 and the BE.2 was the 24th of Voss' eventual 48 victories. The squadron ORB, likely filled out for this mission by either Vinson or Gwilt, states very matter-of-factly, "Machine attacked at 7000 ft over Bullecourt about 9.30 by 6 HA (Albatross scouts). 5 were driven off. One continued to attack & followed us to earth. Almost directly we landed machine was crumped by 8" and destroyed." The incident received a mention in RFC Communique No.82 of 1917,
2nd Lt AH Vinson & 2nd Lt ECL Gwilt, 15 Squadron, were taking photographs over Bullecourt when they were attacked by six Albatros scouts. Unfortunately, both machine guns fell out of their BE and it was forced to land near Lagnicourt as one hostile aircraft pursued and kept firing at it. The pilot and observer jumped out and got into shell holes. The enemy artillery opened fire on our machine, but just before it was hit by an eight-inch shell, 2nd Lt Vinson managed to obtain the exposed plates, which produced good photographs of the Hindenburg Line and Bullecourt.
Vinson and Gwilt were back in the air two days after this incident, now aboard BE.2e s/n 5835 and 2Lt Vinson completed his last mission with the squadron on 26 April (an artillery observation for 152 Siege Battery aboard BE.2e A2791 with 2Lt Toomer). He was then returned to Home Establishment on 27 April and posted to No.66 Reserve Squadron at Wye on 10 May to take up the post of Assistant Instructor; the squadron moved to Yatesbury on 20 May. He then passed through a number of the Yatesbury squadrons, first to No.59 TS on 1 August 1917 as a Flight Commander, and further to No.13 TS during September. He had in the meantime been promoted to full Lieutenant on 3 August, and subsequently received acting Captain rank on 22 August 1917.
There is no indication to show why Capt Vinson should have been, "…in a run-down state", at the time of his death though he had only recently married. He had 609 hours solo on all types and 33 hours solo on the DH.6. In a subsequent letter, squadron adjutant Captain HGC Hynes offered some impression of Vinson's personality when he concluded that, "If ever a chap was loved by everyone who knew him, that Boy was. In all my service, I never saw the like of it. He has left an irreplaceable gap in the squadron.'
The photo below shows Vinson, a very young-looking 19 year old at the time of gaining his Royal Aero Club 'ticket'. Having seen so much action, he was still only 20 at the time of his death.
Despite being a neophyte flyer, 2/Lt Edward Leadbetter Gray was only a month younger than Capt Vinson. Born in Mordington, Scotland on 13 February 1897, Gray joined the RFC as a cadet pilot in September 1917 via the South Farnborough Recruits Depot. He was initially sent to No.5 Officer Cadet Wing at Halton Park, and then on 1 November 1917 to No.1 Officer Cadet Wing at Hastings.
His ground theory training commenced on 3 December when he arrived at No.1 School of Military Aeronautics in Reading and he was promoted to Temporary Second Lieutenant (on probation) there on 20 January 1918. 2Lt Gray moved to No.13 Training Squadron at Yatesbury on 9 March 1918 to begin his flight training. He had completed just two dual flights at the time of the accident and had received only 20 minutes of flight time prior to this sortie.
The telegraph message shown below is held within the personnel folder for Capt Vinson at the UK National Archives in Kew:
A few years ago I visited the site and took a comparison shot: the obelisk in the background at right is the 1845 Lansdowne Monument, itself built on Oldbury Castle, an ancient hill fort which dates to 1,000 BC. The area below the monument was used as a rifle range during WW1.
Capt Albert Higgs Vinson was born on 8 January 1897 in Belvedere, Kent and direct from civilian life he applied for a commission in the Royal Flying Corps during November 1915; he was gazetted Temporary 2nd Lieutenant (on probation) in March 1916 prior to commencing his pilot training. That period of his career began with No.2 School of Military Aeronautics at Oxford on 6 April 1916 and from there on 11 May he passed for flight training on Maurice Farmans with No.6 Reserve Squadron at Catterick in Yorkshire. He took his Royal Aero Club Certificate there on 21 May.
Vinson's "Higher Training" on a service type began in Scotland with No.18 Reserve Squadron at Montrose on 22 May 1916 and he graduated there on 20 June. Concurrent with his graduation he joined No.53 Squadron at Catterick on appointment as Flying Officer at a time when the squadron was forming-up prior to departing for France with the A-W FK.3 biplane. However Vinson did not remain with 53 Sqn, and instead on 12 July 1916 he disembarked in France and joined BE.2-equipped No.15 Squadron at Marieux instead.
On 23 March 1917 Vinson collected new BE.2e s/n A3157 from Candas and he flew this aircraft on most of his sorties up to 6th April 1917, when with 2Lt Everard Leslie Champion Gwilt as his observer, he was shot down by an enemy aircraft whilst on a reconnaissance mission. Vinson's attacker was Ltn Werner Voss of Jasta 11 and the BE.2 was the 24th of Voss' eventual 48 victories. The squadron ORB, likely filled out for this mission by either Vinson or Gwilt, states very matter-of-factly, "Machine attacked at 7000 ft over Bullecourt about 9.30 by 6 HA (Albatross scouts). 5 were driven off. One continued to attack & followed us to earth. Almost directly we landed machine was crumped by 8" and destroyed." The incident received a mention in RFC Communique No.82 of 1917,
2nd Lt AH Vinson & 2nd Lt ECL Gwilt, 15 Squadron, were taking photographs over Bullecourt when they were attacked by six Albatros scouts. Unfortunately, both machine guns fell out of their BE and it was forced to land near Lagnicourt as one hostile aircraft pursued and kept firing at it. The pilot and observer jumped out and got into shell holes. The enemy artillery opened fire on our machine, but just before it was hit by an eight-inch shell, 2nd Lt Vinson managed to obtain the exposed plates, which produced good photographs of the Hindenburg Line and Bullecourt.
Vinson and Gwilt were back in the air two days after this incident, now aboard BE.2e s/n 5835 and 2Lt Vinson completed his last mission with the squadron on 26 April (an artillery observation for 152 Siege Battery aboard BE.2e A2791 with 2Lt Toomer). He was then returned to Home Establishment on 27 April and posted to No.66 Reserve Squadron at Wye on 10 May to take up the post of Assistant Instructor; the squadron moved to Yatesbury on 20 May. He then passed through a number of the Yatesbury squadrons, first to No.59 TS on 1 August 1917 as a Flight Commander, and further to No.13 TS during September. He had in the meantime been promoted to full Lieutenant on 3 August, and subsequently received acting Captain rank on 22 August 1917.
There is no indication to show why Capt Vinson should have been, "…in a run-down state", at the time of his death though he had only recently married. He had 609 hours solo on all types and 33 hours solo on the DH.6. In a subsequent letter, squadron adjutant Captain HGC Hynes offered some impression of Vinson's personality when he concluded that, "If ever a chap was loved by everyone who knew him, that Boy was. In all my service, I never saw the like of it. He has left an irreplaceable gap in the squadron.'
The photo below shows Vinson, a very young-looking 19 year old at the time of gaining his Royal Aero Club 'ticket'. Having seen so much action, he was still only 20 at the time of his death.
Despite being a neophyte flyer, 2/Lt Edward Leadbetter Gray was only a month younger than Capt Vinson. Born in Mordington, Scotland on 13 February 1897, Gray joined the RFC as a cadet pilot in September 1917 via the South Farnborough Recruits Depot. He was initially sent to No.5 Officer Cadet Wing at Halton Park, and then on 1 November 1917 to No.1 Officer Cadet Wing at Hastings.
His ground theory training commenced on 3 December when he arrived at No.1 School of Military Aeronautics in Reading and he was promoted to Temporary Second Lieutenant (on probation) there on 20 January 1918. 2Lt Gray moved to No.13 Training Squadron at Yatesbury on 9 March 1918 to begin his flight training. He had completed just two dual flights at the time of the accident and had received only 20 minutes of flight time prior to this sortie.
The telegraph message shown below is held within the personnel folder for Capt Vinson at the UK National Archives in Kew:
Nice shots!
