XB-42?

FLYBOYJ · Oct 12, 2005

syscom3 said:
I wonder what the pilots thought of for being ejected downward low to the ground )

F-104 had the system for years, it actually worked quite well except if you were close to groud.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Oct 13, 2005

B-52 has the system for the crews in the lower cabin areas.

FLYBOYJ · Oct 13, 2005

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
B-52 has the system for the crews in the lower cabin areas.

Yep - Here in Denver in the nightclub section known as "Lodo" there is a club there known as "B-52s." In front there is an ejection seat and trapeze from one of the B-52 station that egress downward....

Parmigiano · Oct 13, 2005

Upward or downwards was the same on the XB 42-43 (and Do335): the prop and the 'cross' rudders are symmetrical, so you need the same clearance at any angle you want to 'bring your ass out of there'

And in case of real production the technology of the ejection seat and/or the charge to blow off rudder and prop was surely not an issue for USA in 44-45.

.. but was the XP54 a flying wing? I remember it as a pusher twin-boom, a kind of prop driven 'big Vampire'

FLYBOYJ · Oct 13, 2005

Parmigiano said:
.. but was the XP54 a flying wing? I remember it as a pusher twin-boom, a kind of prop driven 'big Vampire'

No flying wing - you're correct about it's comnfiguration....

Aggie08 · Oct 13, 2005

I seem to remember something along the lines of getting rid of obstacles for helicopter ejection- anyone know how that works? I think some US models- either the Apache or Cobra- blows off the prop to get out safe.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Oct 14, 2005

The Apache and the Cobra do not have ejection seats. As a matter of fact no Helicopter in US service has an ejection seat. As an Helictoper crew member we do not even carry parachutes, if the helicopter is crashing we ride it in. Actually we try and autorotate if it has to do with engine failures or something but otherwise we ride it to the ground.

The Russians have the 'Hokum' and it has an ejection seat. The counter turning rotors on it have an explosive charge that detenotes the blades and then the pilot ejects. Well atleast this is based off of what I have read. If this is true I can not confirm it. If anyone knows anything about this Russian aircraft please correct me.

I do know however that the Cobra and the Apache do not have ejection seats. Neither does my Blackhawk or the Chinook, Loach, Littlebird (same thing actually) or Kiowa.

Piaggio108 · Oct 14, 2005

Here is an XB-42A. It was fited with Westinghouse 19XB-2A turbojets as a test. Also note the twin buble canopies.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Oct 14, 2005

Pretty cool.

FLYBOYJ · Oct 14, 2005

The double canopies are pretty cool, but many forward thinking pilots didn't like them - the seperation made the workload more stressful, especially during emergencies. In an aircraft like this, you need to "ping" off the other pilot and work as a team to keep the mission as un-stressful as possible. In modern terms the concept is now called "Cockpit Resource Management."

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Oct 14, 2005

Yeap we like to call it Aircrew Coordination or Cockpit Resource Management.

FLYBOYJ · Oct 14, 2005

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Yeap we like to call it Aircrew Coordination or Cockpit Resource Management.

I bet on many occasions, your pilots task you with something, navigation, radios, scanning for traffic, ect.

Douglas incorporated these double cockpits on the XB-42/ 43 and on the C-74.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Oct 14, 2005

Yeap I do a lot of scanning, radios and navigation. As a matter of fact we do most of the radio traffic.

FLYBOYJ · Oct 14, 2005

Not surprised! See - you maintain the helicopter and do half the flying!

As always stated - Without maintainers, pilots are nothing more than good looking pedestrians with expensive sunglasses! 8)

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Oct 14, 2005

I have a good group of pilots though. They are mostly former crew chiefs and they really respect our job and we are sort of like a really happy family.

FLYBOYJ · Oct 14, 2005

Good to hear they came up from the ranks!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Oct 15, 2005

Speaking of ranks I have been selected for promotion on Nov. 1st. Its about damn time.

FLYBOYJ · Oct 15, 2005

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Speaking of ranks I have been selected for promotion on Nov. 1st. Its about damn time.

CONGRATS SARGE!!!

Now only if my brother could get promoted! I think Gomer Pyle will make E-5 before him!

Nonskimmer · Oct 15, 2005

Hey, right on Adler!

the lancaster kicks ass · Oct 15, 2005

nice one adler!

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