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Don't know for sure until you try it.
Stop trying to invent CG problems. P-39 didn't have any real CG problems. Not like a P-51 with a full fuselage tank.
All that was needed was 30 extra gallons, 15 in each wing. The two outside tanks on the P-39 held over 8 gallons each. You couldn't fit the equivalent two more of those in each outer wing?
The plane had a 37mm cannon. It could not possibly be under armed.
To state that, "P-39 didn't have any real CG problems." means you either don't understand the evidence that has been presented or are in complete denial. I don't know how to correct either situation.
The P-51 85 Gallon Fuselage tank certainly created a CoG problem for the aircraft that did not exist before.
To state that, "P-39 didn't have any real CG problems." means you either don't understand the evidence that has been presented or are in complete denial. I don't know how to correct either situation
(Underlines mine.)Amen...
Uh oh!and weighed less.
I know, right?Uh oh!
Hello P-39 Expert,
*SNIP*
Another thing I have always wondered about is how effective the carb intake was on the P-39 for optimum ram effect. It looks like it would be sitting in a low pressure area. On the P-40, it is sitting at the nose in a high pressure area.
- Ivan.
MODS: We need a rating icon for KOOWUL!! to fit in somewhere between LIKE and WINNER, especially for mildly off-topic sorties like this one.This is really apropos of nothing and I just wanted to write about my old Chevelle that I NEVER should have sold.
BUT! Ivan brings up a point I had never considered regarding the location of the carb intake on the P-39 vs P-40.
Me ahn my '63 SAAB 850 jes gonna haf ta teach yuh ahn yo mussel cahr a li'l respect aht on th' ice race course, come Febr'ary! Dunnit b'fo, duit agin!Had a '72 SS454 Chevelle which one of my dad's buddies (who was an engineer at GM) helped me 'retune' the engine to get a few more ponies out of it.
Ice is for mint juleps.Me ahn my '63 SAAB 850 jes gonna haf ta teach yuh ahn yo mussel cahr a li'l respect aht on th' ice race course, come Febr'ary! Dunnit b'fo, duit agin!
In February?? Funny you should mention them. There was a specialty tire retreader back in the day who used to do ice racing tires with walnut shell fragments embedded in the tread, a super soft compound, green sidewalls, and trademarked "Mint Juleps". Affordable, and tough to beat on the ice!Ice is for mint juleps.
Betcha it ain't tail heavy, neither!Hey Peter Gunn
Maybe we could fix the P-39 with some Chevrolet "SS" letters along the lower nose in front of the door? And might as well install a Hurst "pistol-Grip" shifter handle on the control stick, too, along with a push-button radio.
I had a Burgundy 1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS-7 with rock crusher 4-speed and have been weeping about it for 50 years. I've heard people say they had an LS-7, but they always miss when I ask them about the axle ratio. It only came with ONE axle ratio in 1970, and that was a .411 . My ex-wife wrapped it around a Police car when she ran a stop sign. Nobody was killed, but the car was a total loss.
At least my 2019 Ford Mustang GT PP1 6-Speed with more horsepower than the Chevelle (not as much torque, though) helps a bit.
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It's actually quicker than the old Chevelle and very definitely handles better, but I loved that old Chevelle and the cowl induction. The Mustang is unrelated to the P-39, but likely has a better drag coefficient at sea level!
Cheers!
That was a P-63.
You may be right. 37mm was still very effective though.If the 37mm cannon was all that great, they would have kept the M4 (T9) in the P-38, but they determined that the Hispano M2 and four .50 MGs were the better combination.
The P-39 may have been better served with the same M4, as it had a higher RoF and weighed less.
I assume they meant A6M5c - and why on earth would they be trying to dogfight with a "Special Attack" variant of the Zero?
That was the P-39Q with the underwing .50calMG pods, made the plane a little more unstable.ARMY AIR FORCES
MATERIEL COMMAND
Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio
28 July 1944
MEMORANDUM REPORT ON
P-39Q Airplane, AAF No. 44-3455
Subject: Report of Spin Tests
Section: Flight
Serial No: ENG-47-1779-A
Conclusions
1. The P-39 should not be spun intentionally under any circumstances.
2. The P-39 should not be snap rolled as the roll usually ends in a spin.
3. The best spin recovery is to simultaneously apply opposite rudder and neutralize the stick.
4. Power should be cut immediately if a power on spin is entered.
5. Care must be excercised during the recovery to prevent an accelerated stall and re-enty into the spin.
6. The wing tip spin chute does not aid recovery of the P-39Q from a flat spin.
P-39 Performance Tests
Any aircraft that naturally sits at the most aft end of it's CG envelope will inherently have potential spin issues despite being "within balance" or not!