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I would make it a P-47N for the longer range, the IJN seemed to like long range planes.A P-47M with really cool tail markings?
I was thinking more of a IJAAF aircraft. The navy says, we're going to plan a super battleship. The air force says, oh yeah, we're building a super single-seat, single-engine fighter.I would make it a P-47N for the longer range, the IJN seemed to like long range planes.
I was thinking more of a IJAAF aircraft. The navy says, we're going to plan a super battleship. The air force says, oh yeah, we're building a super single-seat, single-engine fighter.
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Notice I'm steering us away from multi-engine, multi-seat Zerstörers. Those are off the table.
Well yes and no.The Japanese like us still believed there would be a great Jutland type battleship vs battleship naval battle to decide the Pacific War. The Japanese screwed that up sinking and damaging our battleships at Pearl Harbor. Now the great battle couldn't happen.
The Pacific War for the most part became an air and island hopping war. Something neither side saw coming. Only two battleship on battleship battles happened. The Japanese lost both.
Well yes, that's our turning point I'm suggesting. Japan was behind the curve on battleships too, with two Nagatos and a fleet of 1920's 14-inch ships soon to be outclassed by what will become the KGV, North Carolina, SoDak, Richelieu, Littorio and Bismarck classes. This forced pre-war Japan to throw money, resources and talent to produce a battleship that vastly outclassed them all.The problem here, is that Japan was behind the curve in regards to their engines…
The Japanese will adapt given the tech and capabilities available. And of course, given the hp, you can dogfight in an equivalent to a 6 ton P-47. The Jug wasn't just a dash and shoot fighter, but could twist and turn as needed. What our IJAAF pilots do get is 400+ mph in 1940, long range, heavy armament and (unusual for Japan) large ammunition capacity, with armour, high rate of climb and acceleration, while still able to maintain the high G turns they like.The problem is the Japanese mindset of honorable aerial combat when it came to fighter plane design. The Japanese believed in the classic high G turning dogfight.
Actually, according to Soviet reports, the Ki.27 was superior to the I-16 in almost everything except maximum speed (the difference, however, can be considered as negligible) and dive duration - the Ki.27 's engine could overcool. The Soviets, by the way, were greatly surprised that the Ki.27 was almost as fast as the I-16, which had a more powerful engine. Soviet pilots noted the insufficient strength of the Ki.27 airframe - they observed cases of wing breaking off during dive recovery in air battles.The Japanese design philosophy of nimble, manoeuvrable fighter aircraft was slowly beginning to change, at least with the Army, whose pilots had faced off against the fast Soviet I-16 fighter over the skies of China, and over Khalkin Gol. Admittedly, I don't have the source on hand right now that mentions this. Apparently, at least some pilots were actually beginning to favour faster aircraft after having encountered the I-16, though the majority opinion had yet to shift significantly. Certain changes in China could have potentially hastened it.
This is a 'what if' but this is twisting history a bit. The 14in ships were WW I unless you are considering them 1920s due the refits/rebuilds, but everybody did that to greater or lesser extent. Also kind of skips over the Tosa and Amagi class ships as Japanese thinking and goals. These were roughly 40,000 ton ships with 10 16in guns and speeds of 26-30kts (the faster ships had thinner armor) and show that the navy wanted ships that could outmatch most other nations. Only the US really had any hope of building ships to match the Japanese. British had bigger ships on paper but no money. France and Italy had no money and no ability to build either 40,000 ton ships or 16in guns in the 1920s or 1930s. Japan was not worried about anybody but the US and Britain in the 1930s.Well yes, that's our turning point I'm suggesting. Japan was behind the curve on battleships too, with two Nagatos and a fleet of 1920's 14-inch ships soon to be outclassed by what will become the KGV, North Carolina, SoDak, Richelieu, Littorio and Bismarck classes. This forced pre-war Japan to throw money, resources and talent to produce a battleship that vastly outclassed them all.
In 1937 P&W was planning on a 1650hp engine. They had originally planned on a 2600cu in engine but at that time they didn't know about the Wright R-2600. When they found out they enlarged their engine to the 2800cu in displacement. No sense in being 2nd to the market with a 2600 cu in engine.Meanwhile, Japan's 1930s intel service reports that Pratt & Whitney's R-2800 Double Wasp (soon to run in 1937) and Bristol's Centaurus (first run 1938) will be >2,000 hp capable, able to power large and powerful fighters against Japan.
I thought I should handicap the IJAAF a skosh, technology-wise.I would make it a P-47N for the longer range, the IJN seemed to like long range planes.
A good part of the logic behind the Yamato class battleships was that they would fight stuff that fit through the Panama canal. The ships were make fairly short in length, to made them harder for other battleships to hit. These are not limitations behind fighter aircraft.What would a Japanese single seat, single engined fighter for introduction in 1941 look like if the logic behind the battleship Yamato had been applied? That of vastly superior firepower and protection while maintaining equal speed (until the Iowas) over the competition, on the assumption that you'll be fighting against a numerically superior foe. For starters we'd need Japan to be working on a >2,000 hp engine, with high octane fuel to match, in the 1930s.
Yes, that's the very foundation of the thread. Japan pursues a 2000hp engine.If you don't have 2000hp, you have to make compromises.
Perhaps we should say 'well balanced" aircraft. At least after the first few hundred?We criticise the Japanese for building delicate aircraft, but they did not have large numbers of big, reliable engines.
You forgot that the US fighters carried a lot more armament weight. An awful lot more. Please note I am not making any judgement as to effectiveness, just amount of weight.. Hellcats and Corsairs used 46_litre engines, which allowed them to carry much more armour and protection, and still go faster.
Yes, that's the very foundation of the thread. Japan pursues a 2000hp engine.