"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (6 Viewers)
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In addition to the Ukraine Aid Bill, the house also passed the 21st Century Peace through Strength Act with a bipartisan vote of 360-58. Amongst other things, this bill includes
- Place sanctions on anyone involved in activity covered under the UN missile embargo on Iran that lapsed last year or in the supply or sale of Iran's missiles and drones.
- Empower the executive branch to seize and transfer frozen Russian assets held in the US to Ukraine.
A point many who consider Ukraine should negotiate away territory to Russia need to be reminded of.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Even if we give up Belgorod?
MiTasol
2nd Lieutenant
On the overall spending for NATO yes but on the support for Ukraine much of Europe has committed far more than the US.
And do not forget that aid to Ukraine is on top of their commitments to NATO.
Many, if not all, those countries have other overseas commitments - Australia has committed less than the US to Ukraine but it also supports many Asia Pacific nations and has commitments in many of the northern hemisphere "hot spots". And I suspect that the US VA problems are the same as the Australian DVA problems - incompetence and feather-bedding, not lack of budget.
EDIT: example - one vet has just been awarded his Vietnam medal because they "could not find him" even though he gets his military pension and veterans health care. And the parliament has just finished a long and totally damning review of the department and the suicides by many returned servicemen who could not get the department to provide any mental or other assistance.
From Bilateral aid to Ukraine by country GDP 2024 | Statista the US is 19th based on % of GDP and provides only 0.9 of the aid Estonia provides. Even Bulgaria and Canada provide (marginally) more than the US does.
From https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...ntries-have-committed-the-most-aid-to-ukraine
Denmark and Estonia have each committed aid totaling more than 2% of their gross domestic product, with Estonia being the highest, at 3.55%, according to the tracker. Norway, Lithuania, Latvia, Finland and Poland also stand out among the highest donors by share of GDP. Malta, on the other hand, has committed aid totaling only 0.01% of its GDP, the lowest for European countries in the data.
The U.S. has committed 0.32% of its GDP toward Ukraine aid, which falls below the percentages committed by the U.K. (0.55%) and Germany (0.57%).
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Admiral Beez
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I would support Canada sending the entirety of our Leopard 2 fleet, including ARVs along with half of our M113s to Ukraine tomorrow. We don't need MBTs. I'd also send every 155mm artillery shell we have, we can buy/make more later.
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MiTasol
2nd Lieutenant
Canada and all other democracies need to start making them NOW.
If Putin wins in Russia he will have a large highly experienced military ready to move on to Poland or Germany or some other country and unless the democracies have a good stock of weapons and ammunition they will end up Russian controlled
If Putin wins in Russia he will have a large highly experienced military ready to move on to Poland or Germany or some other country and unless the democracies have a good stock of weapons and ammunition they will end up Russian controlled
Add in the Australian M1A1s as they start being replaced by M1A2s in the coming months + more M113s including the autonomous ones and more Bushmasters and finally the Hawkeis.
MiTasol
2nd Lieutenant
I doubt the Australian M1A1s will be made available for the same reasons the Taipans were not sold to anyone or given to Ukraine. Serviceability and mod status.
The Ukraine Aid Bill Passes in the House
Now back to the Senate, the President's desk and delivery to Ukraine's soldiers
mickryan.substack.com
The are serviceable and are essentially the same mod status as those sent by the US already. The MRH90 refusal had nothing to do with either either.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
The issue with the Australian helicopters keeps popping up - I get it that people want to get equipment to Ukraine, but they need field ready machines that can be put to work ASAP.
Even if the U.S. were to provide UH-60's to Ukraine, there would be training both with pilots and ground crew plus logistics for parts and such - all of which would create downtime and a lag between acquisition and deployment.
Even if the U.S. were to provide UH-60's to Ukraine, there would be training both with pilots and ground crew plus logistics for parts and such - all of which would create downtime and a lag between acquisition and deployment.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
1) Those Russian soldiers who have gained experience are largely dead. Yes, they will have cadre, but with a one-year service term, it's not like that experience will get passed down and then they've got to train another tranche of recruits. Yes, the leaders will have more experience in battle-management. But this war is running down the troop quality. And it's the troops who do the fighting.
2) Given the major issues Russia has had trying to reduce and conquer Ukraine, the idea that they would attack a NATO country doesn't seem likely.
3) Of course we must stay on guard against further Russian incursions. We must address shortages exposed here so that we have, say, enough artillery ammo, drones, and so on. But I'm skeptical that Russia wants a full-on war with NATO.
Russia has already bitten off more than it can chew. Thy know it better that we do.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
If anything, Ukraine just may emerge as Europe's new premier military power when all is said and done.
MiTasol
2nd Lieutenant
You know they have bitten off more than they can chew - if the west hold firm.
I know they have bitten off more than they can chew- if the west hold firm.
But the million plus lives question is Do Putin and his supporters know they have bitten off more than they can chew.
The especially important question is does Putin believe he can roll over other ex soviet independent countries and get away with it. Remember his whole country is now fully on a war economy and the west is far behind in gearing up so if this becomes a war of attrition he is more likely to win.
Given the encouragement Putin is getting from his supporters in the US and his refusal to accept anything except total domination or destruction in Ukraine I think he is crazy enough to believe he will not only win this early or mid next year but can then roll over a number of other countries because he believes that they will be denied spare parts and consumables for their US made equipment.
To say more means moving into politics so that is all I will say.
Snautzer01
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Although one can go on war production fact is the modern russian tech is heavily depending on western parts like chips and components like range finders etc.
They can get some from the chinese i guess but i do not think that is in china's best intrest to deliver on a big scale.
So although one can expect i.g more tanks the will be lesser in fighting quality. And that quality was not top notch to start with.
For the ones they get out of the mothballs it will be even worse.
They can get some from the chinese i guess but i do not think that is in china's best intrest to deliver on a big scale.
So although one can expect i.g more tanks the will be lesser in fighting quality. And that quality was not top notch to start with.
For the ones they get out of the mothballs it will be even worse.
Admiral Beez
Captain
Well, don't look to us.
As allies scramble to supply Ukraine, Canada still has no deal to ramp up munitions production | CBC News
More than a year and a half after receiving proposals to ramp production of artillery shells, the Canadian government is still debating whether to make investments in plants in Quebec and Ontario. Defence Minister Bill Blair says he's had discussions but has not signed any deals.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Even if Russia defeats the UAF and forces a total victory, Russia will be facing a Ukrainian insurgency that will make Afghanistan look like a Sunday picnic.
I'm pretty sure he does. After all, it's gone a bit longer than the three days he's planned for -- and he's still no closer to defeating them Ukrainians.
I think he's aware of Article 5.
I disagree. The backlash here against the Russian mouthpieces is mounting, and a great majority in both houses of Congress already understand the importance of supporting our treaty allies.
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