109D Drawings?

[Wurger]

You are helpful with the pics. These images with the crashed Yellow 12 reveal that there could be more inspection hatches on the undersides. Also the shots confirm the layout of the hatches for the earlier Bf 109s generally.

The "Yellow 10"

The "Yellow 12"

 

[Bozothenutter]

And here is a shot of the Spanish kite I found on the Stock Photo - GUERRA CIVIL - 1936 - AVION MESSERSCHMITT BF-109 LEGION CONDOR

According to the pic it looks like the outer aileron tip was slightly diagonally to the centerline.

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yeah, and inside of the panel line, so no chating with a file at the back!

 

[Wurger]

Yep...

 

[Bozothenutter]

The pic with the " Yellow 10 " looks really fine. There can be noticed the inspection hatches on the undersides. The "Black/Red 1" is actually, useless I would say. The third shot is good but a little too small to notice the details.
Here is the large one .... what a pity the wing tip was damaged. It could help to state if the ailleron outer tip was paraller to the centerline or not. However it can be noticed that there was an inspection round hatch at the place where the balkenkreuz is painted. There isn't any round hatch at the leading adge next to the slat. The plate there was bent and if there would be the round one as the drawings suggested it should be seen. The another one that can be found is the one at the wing tip. But you have to look close enough to see this. So there is only one hatch between the MG hatch and the wing tip. This indicates that the fourth drawing of the wing which seems to be correct.

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the pic source: Messerschmitt Bf 109D1 Stkz VB+NR landing mishap showing wing structural damage 01

I agree with your analysis, will take it to heart!
notice how the hatch at the tip seems surface mounted?
might fill the lines there and use a round stencil and some primer for the superthin effect.

 

[Wurger]

notice how the hatch at the tip seems surface mounted?

What do you mean?

 

[Bozothenutter]

You are helpful with the pics. These images with the crashed Yellow 12 reveal that there could be more inspection hatches on the undersides. Also the shots confirm the layout of the hatches for the earlier Bf 109s generally.

The "Yellow 10"


The "Yellow 12"

thanks for your additions, noticed another thing, were the eyebolts always fitted?

 

[Bozothenutter]

What do you mean?

Like it is mounted on top of the surface, not in the surface as the other hatches, not sure though.

 

[Bozothenutter]

found a wingtip picture of the swiss E walkaround....I was wrong....

 

[Wurger]

Nice shots. And all is clear now.

 

[Wurger]

These larger were attached like that ...

 

[Bozothenutter]

Now for a more contentious question.....colour!
I cannot go from this (the aircraft I'm making):

to RLM63....it just looks too dark!
was the paint bad quality or something?

 

[fubar57]

RLM02?

 

[Wurger]

Oh ... Mölders' Lusch... according to the site Messerschmitt Bf 109D (Molders) by Lynn Ritger (Classic Airframes 1/48), it was RLM 63 over RLM 65.

the pic source: Photo's of Spanish Civil War history Condor Legion

RLM 63

 

[fubar57]

How much stock do we put into this these days...from "The Official Monogram Painting Guide to German Aircraft 1935 - 1945" by Merrick & Hitchcock. I never know which is the latest

 

[Wurger]

Sounds good. But a question though.. if these were the indentical colours why there are two RLM numbers ?

 

[fubar57]

I'll post the rest if I can find it again

 

[Wurger]

It's OK Geo. Just if Germans had two the same coats why they used two different numbers. Knowing their passion for die Ordnung I doubt they would follow that way

PS.... Eduard suggests FS 36375 - MMP 073 paint or Gunze H or C 308 for their Legion Condor Bf 109E in 1/32 scale... while AML - FS 36307

 

[Chris Simmonds]

Not sure this helps Bf 109 D-1 W.Nr. 2260 Yellow 10 3./ZG 2 Debica Poland FL 01/10/39

 

[Wurger]

Nice. I'm sure you know that there is a couple of pics more showing the wreck.

 

[Wurger]

And here is a shot of Bf 109 remnants from the Spain. It is mentioned that the plane was of a medium-grey. So no green-grey.

the pic source: Historically Significant Spanish Civil War Bf 109 Being Restored