109D Drawings?

[Bozothenutter]

I'm working on the Modelsvit 109D-1 and looking into the access hatches on the wings.
The kit and the two sets of drawings I have don't agree....of course!
So, who has the 'best' 109D-1 drawings.
I have :
Valiant wings book
Harald Helmut Vogt book

any other sources, online or otherwise?

 

[Denniss]

maybe look at early Bf 109E drawings, the E-1 was more or less a D with bigger engine

 

[Baball]

Kagero's TopDrawings n°12 is dedicated to the Bf-109 A to D.

 

[fubar57]

B Bozothenutter PM sent

 

[Bozothenutter]

Lol, three drawings that don't agree with each other OR the kit.....

 

[fubar57]

Sent you a set of "E-1" drawings

 

[woodhaven]

 

[Bozothenutter]

woodhaven thanks for those!

 

[Bozothenutter]

spent some time whipping up a compare of the various drawings.
all errors stem from my inability to use GIMP.
apart from the obvious differences in hatches and panel line location, notice the disagreement of the outer edge of the aileron, some have it parallel to the centerline, while others have it at an angle.
so for the hatches, I'm going for the third option, as it makes sense to have a hatch near the slat mechanism as well.
Still deliberating the semi-circular hatch and the hatch nearest the fuselage. If anybody knows what they're for?

So I found some Russian drawings (where do I find the full set?) of an E-3 wing internal structure and it juuuuust shows an angle.

 

[Wurger]

Here is a shot that shows quite nice the outer tips of the ailerons. It can be noticed that tha Dora dodn't have it parallel to the centerline. But it can be a trick because of the angle the pic was taken with. The shot taken from the top reveal that the aileron tips could be paraller though

the pic source: the Internet.

 

[Wurger]

However the shot reveals that it wasn't parallel...

the pic source: Photo's of Jagdgeschwader 132 - JG132

 

[Wurger]

And here is a close up shot of the wing tip. IMHO the aileron outer tip wasn't parallel. but it may be the trick as well.

the source: Photo's of Spanish Civil War history Condor Legion

 

[Wurger]

And here is a shot of the Spanish kite I found on the Stock Photo - GUERRA CIVIL - 1936 - AVION MESSERSCHMITT BF-109 LEGION CONDOR

According to the pic it looks like the outer aileron tip was slightly diagonally to the centerline.

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[Wurger]

Regarding the inspection hatches ... I would say that the closest drawing is the fourth one.The Kagero in their Topdrawings series for the Bf 109A-D variants and in the book about Doras over Poland in 1939 and the Monographs series , just published the layout for the tops.

the pic source: The Kagero site.

 

[Chris Simmonds]

I'm working on the Modelsvit 109D-1 and looking into the access hatches on the wings.
The kit and the two sets of drawings I have don't agree....of course!
So, who has the 'best' 109D-1 drawings.
I have :
Valiant wings book
Harald Helmut Vogt book

any other sources, online or otherwise?

You may find some info here

 

[Chris Simmonds]

Top is from the excellent HT model Special 907 Bf109B D a E slovenskych pilotov 1942-44

Lower of the two is a Bf 109 C

 

[Wurger]

The pic with the " Yellow 10 " looks really fine. There can be noticed the inspection hatches on the undersides. The "Black/Red 1" is actually, useless I would say. The third shot is good but a little too small to notice the details.
Here is the large one .... what a pity the wing tip was damaged. It could help to state if the ailleron outer tip was paraller to the centerline or not. However it can be noticed that there was an inspection round hatch at the place where the balkenkreuz is painted. There isn't any round hatch at the leading adge next to the slat. The plate there was bent and if there would be the round one as the drawings suggested it should be seen. The another one that can be found is the one at the wing tip. But you have to look close enough to see this. So there is only one hatch between the MG hatch and the wing tip. This indicates that the fourth drawing of the wing which seems to be correct.

the pic source: Messerschmitt Bf 109D1 Stkz VB+NR landing mishap showing wing structural damage 01

 

[Chris Simmonds]

The pic with the " Yellow 10 " looks really fine. There can be noticed the inspection hatches on the undersides. The "Black/Red 1" is actually, useless I would say. The third shot is good but a little too small to notice the details.
Here is the large one .... what a pity the wing tip was damaged. It could help to state if the ailleron outer tip was paraller to the centerline or not. However it can be noticed that there was an inspection round hatch at the place where the balkenkreuz is painted. There isn't any round hatch at the leading adge next to the slat. The plate there was bent and if there would be the round one as the drawings suggested it should be seen. The another one that can be found is the one at the wing tip. But you have to look close enough to see this. So there is only one hatch between the MG hatch and the wing tip. This indicates that the fourth drawing of the wing which seems to be correct.

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the pic source: Messerschmitt Bf 109D1 Stkz VB+NR landing mishap showing wing structural damage 01

I guess I'll take that as a 'thank you for posting' even the 'useless' one.

 

[Wurger]

Sorry if you got it offended but it hasn't been my purpose. There is really no reason for taking offense. By the "useless" I ment that there is neither any hatch on the wing nor the wing at the aileron outer tips seen. Contrary to that those two other images are very helpful with the answer to Bozothenutter's questions.

 

[Chris Simmonds]

An unfortunate use of the term, however I'm good thank you for the post. I just want to be helpful and with almost 2000 images of Jumo powered Bf 109's I hope I can be