A-10 to the Ukrainians? Recent comments by the Air Force secretary suggest a way out for the USAF from A-10 ownership

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It would be an aircraft easily available, but NOT OPTIMAL. It was already over-weighted and it would likely be eaten alive by the Russian defenses. It's too slow with all the equipment and armament.

When we flew into Iraq, we escorted the 58D's with our UH-60s, and carried their DART teams in case one broke down. We had to slow down so much because they could not keep up with us. One did in fact have an issue when its chin bubble blew out while firing its .50 cal. They had to jerry rig a piece of sheet metal to it at a Polish base in Babylon.

The best use of the 58D is in tandem with an attack helicopter like an Apache where it is not directly engaging the enemy but used as a scout that "paints" the target for the attack helicopters who engage the target. Hence why it was retired, when the Apache-Longbow came online. The slow obsolete 58D was no longer needed.
 
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I was wondering how many AH1 attack helicopters might be sitting in storage in the desert. The TOW may be an old AT missile, but would more than suffice for the majority of targets available
 
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SaparotRob said:
I believe the A-10, as much as I love the thing, is not viable anymore.
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Are you telling me that if Ukraine had two squadrons of A-10s in Feb 2022 when that Russian convoy was jammed, with limited air defence, that the Thunderbolts would not have been useful?

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As for 2024-2025, once the UAF's F-16s and anti-radar systems make hay of Russia's SAMs, the A-10s would still be viable, imo.

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SaparotRob said:
Kids pulling up next to the stalled columns in their Toyotas and tossing a Molotov cocktail was effective. Relying on on your enemy to remain stupid is not a good strategy.
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Correct, but that stalled convoy, paired with the limited air superiority, was an A-10 pilot's wet dream.

It would have been the Highway of Death Part Deux.

But then again, to be fair, a squadron of F-15s or F-18s armed with JDAMs, or even a company of AH-64 Longbows could have achieved the same results.

But it would have been nice to see the A-10 get sent off with a successful bang.
 
Full disclosure: I would have loved to have seen the Warthog tear through those columns. It was the dream scenario, I imagine, for the pilots as well as A-10 fans.
Lost opportunity.
 
SaparotRob said:
Relying on on your enemy to remain stupid is not a good strategy
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I meant to point out that one consistent in this war, has been Russian military ineptitude.

Recent examples, would be the UAF catching and hammering a Russian column in January near Kharkiv.

Ukrainians did it again in April (Kreminsk) where the Russians lost all eleven tanks.

More recently, again near Kharkiv, a Russian column got corn-holed the last week of June.
 
It's frustrating, as an armchair strategist, last class, to not want to count on Russian ineptitude. Maybe they might land on someone good to lead after the next round of purges. I'm aware Putin values loyalty over talent.
 
Admiral Beez said:
Are you telling me that if Ukraine had two squadrons of A-10s in Feb 2022 when that Russian convoy was jammed, with limited air defence, that the Thunderbolts would not have been useful?
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No. It would have been its perfect, one for the history books, viral video moment.
What are the odds of that happening again?
 
I mean, blowing the crap out of a line of Scooby Doo vans, golf carts, a couple of BMP-1s towing some shopping carts will be as good as it might get. Not a very viral moment, unless you add "Yakety Sax" to sound track.
 
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I think it depends on what Russia tries next. If they do another cross border attack then A-10s could be very useful for disrupting and/or stopping the lead elements. Train-busting and railroad ruining is another mission that could use some A-10 TLC.

As has already been stated elsewhere in the thread, they would need top cover for any attacks at significant distance behind the Russian lines.
 
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