Admiral Beez
Major
No, they were thinking mutual interest and more importantly active participation on each other's behalf. Poland didn't see much of the latter, but that was the plan and motivation.
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No, they were thinking mutual interest and more importantly active participation on each other's behalf. Poland didn't see much of the latter, but that was the plan and motivation.Probably the same thing that the UK, France, and Poland were thinking when they formed their treaties.
Every great power wanted Lebensraum. I'm sitting here in Toronto, Canada on previous indigenous land because the British Empire displaced and eradicated the original inhabitants. That's a very founding tenet of the USA, manifest destiny et al. That both Germany and Japan sought Lebensraum does not bring them closer, IMO.To say Imperial Japan was Nazi or Fascist maybe a stretch or perhaps a rather vigorous discussion.
However, Japanese policy in terms of Lebensraum or racial superiority was certainly in line with their German ally.So perhaps birds of a feather flock together.
Indeed, but into the 1930s there was much indication that the USA was friends or certainly economic/industrial partners, not enemies of Nazi Germany. Germany was helping China fight the Japanese. It was Britain who was looking for friends as she watched the USA usurp Britain's naval and economic prominence. Imagine, 1936 Hitler re-militarizes the Rhineland, and Britain watches as a neutered France and a neutralized USA do nothing. Tokyo calls London, "we see things are going to hell with our previous mutual enemy Germany. We would like to once again stand by your side, and offer to send a battlefleet to the North Sea or Mediterranean to serve under RN orders. We only ask that you facilitate some face saving diplomacy with China and Washington." Britain, not Germany was Japan's natural ally and a renewal of friendly relations would keep the peace in the PTO.Enemies of our enemies (real or perceived, current or potential) are (may be) our friends.
Every great power wantedTokyo calls London, "we see things are going to hell with our previous mutual enemy Germany. We would like to once again stand by your side, and offer to send a battlefleet to the North Sea or Mediterranean to serve under RN orders. We only ask that you facilitate some face saving diplomacy with China and Washington." Britain, not Germany was Japan's natural ally and a renewal of friendly relations would keep the peace in the PTO.
We often forget that the UK was also humiliated at the WNT. The most powerful naval power the earth had ever known, with a battlefleet undefeated since 1781 brought to its knees by its former colonials and American financiers, who are actively planning to attack a now weakened British Empire.After the humiliation the Japanese experienced in Washington over naval treaty proportions, and then again with the LNT, I don't think they would be asking the UK with help saving face against Germany.
We often forget that the UK was also humiliated at the WNT. The most powerful naval power the earth had ever known, with a battlefleet undefeated since 1781 brought to its knees by its former colonials and American financiers, who are actively planning to attack a now weakened British Empire.
A bewildered 1920's Britain pinched by Washington on one side and the USSR on the other will be looking for friends; this was Japan's chance to say, hey Britain we understand that under US pressure you have to leave our formal 1902 alliance, but we still have your back. Though the Lytton Report won't go over well.
I haven't heard that Britain was unhappy with the Washington Naval Treaty? It was pretty much fair for UK.
Can you sauce the British unhappy with the Washington?
I ain't feelin it.
Humiliation aside, Japan saw some real benefits from the WNT. The Treaty prohibited any further fortified bases in PTO islands outside of Manila, Singapore and Hawaii. Otherwise the US, ANZ/UK may well have fortified the Solomons, PNG, etc. On PNG the Australians have at least one B-17 capable airfield as a starting point.Was a war with America real? The Anglo Japanese was dropped on American say so. Britain was in debt to the USA so maybe get rid of debt by shooting it.
The Japanese hot heads were angry but they signed the treaty freely. They signed and that was that.
That's assuming that Grand Albion prevails - otherwise it'll be driving on the right side of the road and watching crappy sitcoms and reality shows on TV...War with USA is ok as we can get back our colonies. And avenge our tea.
I do like the Fw 190.Nine pages and yet not one image such as this:
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Source: How the Mitsubishi Zero won the Battle of Britain
Nine pages and yet not one image such as this:
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Source: How the Mitsubishi Zero won the Battle of Britain