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The Puma name is confusing from a few angles. Most refer to the 234/2 as the Puma. This was the 50mm armed turreted version.
german units used the Puma term for most 8 wheels types from the 231 on.

A captured driver (Dec 1944) referred to himself when questioned as a 'Puma' driver.

The different 234's which were the only German AFV to have an air cooled diesel were;
234/1 - open top turret 20mm gun
234/2 - complete turret 50mm gun
234/3 - open top with short 75mm gun
234/4 - open top with pak40 75mm gun.

The German troop referred to them according to the armament followed by Puma.
The 20mm version was the 2cm Puma. The short 75mm version was the Stummel Puma and so on.

The 50mm full turret version was the best known and the name seems to have been attached to only the /2 version, probably
due the coolness factor - especially for modellers. After all, as everyone knows, chicks dig the cool names.
 
that's utter nonsense. No official document ever used Puma or referred to such a nickname. Various works by Tom Jentz/Hilary Doyle make clear statements about that.
And the only vehicle named as Puma by these fancy postwar authors was the /2.
The /2 was likely best known because it was the first of the series and having a sleek look with the long turreted gun
 
Well, my info comes from the interviews done with the units who used the 234 types and that is what they called them so I can only go
with information direct from the horses mouth. One of the Germans interviewed directly referred to himself as a 'Puma' driver.
 
2 threads on why HIMARS and GMLRS have made logistics relevant again.
Hope they are right.

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Admiral Beez said:
Why do the Chechens follow Putin? Didn't Russia invade their country and kill 100,000 civilians? Why the love?
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Divide et impera.
Kremlin didn't manage to subjugate the Chechnya Republic by military force in the 1990s.
So another strategy was chosen. The leader was assassinated and collaborators were found among some prominent figures.
Local family clans clashed against each other weakening the resistance, while Kremlin consolidated its forces and awashed the traitors with money and privileges...
 

Never underestimate the power of greed...either for money or power (or both).
 

Russia is really, REALLY good at that sort of thing. We see evidence of it all the time in Western countries.

A few years ago, there was a pro-Russian online publication called "Russia Insider." It was run by an American who, according to a recent New York Times article, later joined the white nationalist movement, launched an anti-Semitic manifesto, and joined the storming of the Capitol on 6 Jan 2021. He then fled to Russia, where he now reinforces Russian propaganda about the urgent need to de-Nazify Ukraine.

According to the head of the outgoing Bulgarian prime minister's office, Lena Borislavova, the Russian government has been paying prominent Bulgarian public figures, including journalists, politicians, and public intellectuals, to post pro-Russian messages as if they were domestic opinion. Apparently, these individuals were being paid Euros 2,000 per month.

Die Zeit had a similar article about pro-Russian influencers in Germany. Some of these influencers claim to work for "donations" but they seem very well funded, so much so that they can travel around Europe and schmooze/network with the great and the good.

Essentially, Russia is using Western privileges of free speech against us to cloud the information environment. Unfortunately, many ill-informed individuals get suckered into believing the misinformation that these influencers spout.

As always....follow the money!
 
buffnut453 said:
Russia is really, REALLY good at that sort of thing. We see evidence of it all the time in Western countries.
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Britain managed to rule its empire with few boots on the ground through a similar divide and conquer strategy. For example, in 1857 the strength of the army in India was 311,400 of whom 265,900 were Indians. Less than 46 thousand British soldiers to rule over more than a hundred million Indians, presumably with their consent. I assume that was Putin's plan for Ukraine - have the Ukrainians persecute their own people on his behalf in exchange for wealth, (limited) power and prestige.
 
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Dimlee said:
Well, in coastal waters cables are mapped. Otherwise they can be damaged by anchors, etc.
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...which raises suspicion within sovereign waters, which I addressed in my original post...

The point is that it's easier said than done. It has been done though, but more often than not by accident!

Cut Undersea Cable Plunges Yemen Into Days-Long Internet Outage

The fragility of global internet infrastructure has left the entire Red Sea region struggling to connect.
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In Germany I've read a report/claim of russians already destroying two HIMARS systems. Is that their common propaganda or is something known about it?
 
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