Allied/Axis Bomb-Shapes

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From what I was reading from this site, I got...
I'm not sure what types of fins they evaluated from
  1. The old, long annular fin
  2. The short box-fin
  3. All the designs in between
You'd think a cylindrical fin of proper aerodynamics (the cross-section of the fin) would work better because the airflow over the bomb is circular, and the airflow over the fin is circular, plus a box-fin is made of an upper & lower, bottom & top, as well as four fins at the junctions, where as an annular fin has the annular ring (one part), and the X-fin arrangement as before.
 

That ring was or box section purpose was to brace the fins.
The major cause of inaccuracy in a bomb is the fins vibrating or moving around, it's easier to brace the fins, and stronger, with just a straight piece of steel between the fins.
The US bombs were quite squatty, the fins were mostly in turbulent airflow.
A curved piece between the fins would just change it's curvature, and let the fins still move around unless you made it very thick and heavy..

Also box fins meant the bombs were easier to handle on the ground once the fins were installed. You could set them on a trailer, still had to tie them down, but not as much trouble keeping them in place as you would have with a round fin at the back.

You'll notice on about any aircraft that has a visible external brace of a flying surface, that brace, is straight, not curved.

What they did later when aircraft got faster was get rid of the brace between the fins entirely, they made the fins stronger.
 
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The box fins had an advantage (theoretical?) in that they were super caliber. That merely means that the span of the fins (over the diagonal) was greater than the diameter of the bomb and the last few inches of the fins should be operating in undisturbed air.

US bombs tended to short squatty things with a rather abrupt taper at the rear end.


Airflow over the fins of a circular or drum shape of equal or lesser diameter than the bomb body is going to be turbulent.
The British used a much more gradual taper on their bombs


At least in the early part of the war. Please note the two british bombs are not to scale. The 250lb bomb was 10.2in in diameter while the 500lb bomb was 12.9in and the 500lb bomb was about 25% longer with standard fins.
 
That ring was or box section purpose was to brace the fins.
Didn't know that
The major cause of inaccuracy in a bomb is the fins vibrating or moving around, it's easier to brace the fins, and stronger, with just a straight piece of steel between the fins.
Didn't know that. I thought the ring had some aerodynamic benefit. It makes sense that they'd be in turbulent airflow, but aircraft have tails in the rear too and they clearly have a benefit, so I figured if the ring shape was used, the airflow would still be cylindrical (the cross section of the bomb) rather than cubic (the fins).
A curved piece between the fins would just change it's curvature, and let the fins still move around unless you made it very thick and heavy.
Are we talking about the curve of the fins? Also, how much did the RAF's annular ring cost over our box-fins?

As for the removal of the braces, that makes a lot of sense, and to be honest, a lot of the bombs that we'd carry later on kind of had the same look as the tallboy, just smaller.

You still do require more space in the bomber to carry them.

Did they produce any significant ballistic accuracy improvement?
 
If you'll look at the American AN M64 bomb in Shortround6's post and the British Mk II bomb in Wuzak's post you'll notice both are 500 lbs bombs, with very similar bomb bodies, but different fins.

Just the British bomb is quite a bit longer, the more tapered tail might have produced less turbulence, and might have been a more accurate bomb
But the longer length might have meant fewer bombs could be carried in some bomb bays.

A lot of war material America made during WW2 might not have been the best that could have been made.
But whatever they made, they made in massive amounts.
A lot of the massive production came from designing products so they were simple to produce.

I don't like quoting Stalin, but I think he said " quantity has a quality all it's own "
 
Unless you could drop both bombs at the same time from the same plane and do so repeatedly and measure the miss distances (or drop a crap load (thousands) of each type and plot the miss distances) you are not going to get a good comparison. There are too many variables for small scale testing to sort out if the bombs are dropped on different flights even on the same day.
 
A poorly worded post on my part. I was intending to convey the point you are making ie the development of explosives based on RDX as well as methods of production that greatly increased output. Torpex was actually preceded by Minol in torpedoes and depth charges
 
Related to box shaped fins...box and shrouded fins give more stabilizing surface for the same length and span. i.e. making bomb overall length shorter, reducing longitudinal vibrations in the airflow thus making trajectory smoother.
 
I don't like quoting Stalin, but I think he said " quantity has a quality all it's own "

He did not. Another misattributed quote.
He could say/write something similar of more general meaning as "quantity turns into quality", since that was typical for Engels and Hegel, whose works were studied by all Communists at that time.
 
Did any of the bombs under 2000lb have fins that caused the bombs to rotate in flight?
 
This is something confusion here, there are two figures here for the 4000 lb light-case AN/M56: Two different sources list 34.25" as diameter, the other listing 36" (3'). One source was from 1944 (which lists dimensions), the other from 1950 (which lists a picture)

The thing is usually the overall body diameter (not the fin diameter) seems bigger than basic cylindrical body (the basic bomb-body shape minus all the stuff that allows it to be mounted to the aircraft). I'm not certain which figure is correct, as it seems to be the same model depicted.
 
So, they were doing tests all the way into the 1930's?
 

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