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syscom3 said:The plane was built solid. I'm sure you remember that back in the days of slide rules (you do know what a slide rule is dont you?), the engineers fudged a lot of calculations to make sure they were stronger than figured "just in case".
And I'm sure you do realize that the design methodology in aircraft have changed a bit between 1940 and 2000?
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:I will admit that is one of the reasons why I like syscom though.
Glider said:You cannot prove that something didn't happen.
You can only prove that something, was going to happen, did happen or that something failed. You can also provide evidence or logic as to why something would fail if it was tried...
In this case the person who said it was going to happen was you and you have provided no evidence to support anything that you have claimed.
1) What tests were carried out, presumably some were undertaken or planned.
2) What plans were made, flight plans, range payload tests, navigation plans alternative routes. Supply them?
3) What training took place. An absolute must would have been to train the pilots to land on a carrier, were they trained in this difficult skill?...
4) What modifications were undertaken. The arrestor gear would need significant modification to take the load of a B25 landing, was it beefed up?
5) You state that its easy to sling a hook on a B25. Prove it, what plans were in place to do this. Where were they going to attach it? where they going to upgrade the Landing Gear.
6) Finally you state that the navy were not going to hang around. Prove that statement, there must have been discussions ad decisions.
As I said, the onus is on you to supply the information that it was going to happen.
There have been multiple statements made and examples given at to why it would be impossible to do without significant modification to the B25. People with experience in this field have made statements, pointed you to books, given examples as to what happens if arrestor gear is used incorrectly and the price of an incorrectly stressed aircraft.
So to sum up.
A) You have provided nothing of any evidence to say this was going to happen.
B) We cannot prove that it didn't happen because that cannot be proven.
C) A number of people have said why it would only happen with significant modification to the plane and the arrestor gear. None of which you have refuted.
The ball old son, is in your court. Prove that it was going to happen.
If it was a one shot deal for a B-25B to be launched and return to the carrier, I could see it being done with some modifications. For prolonged operations, I would bet major structural modification would have to be incorporated.syscom3 said:Thanks Flyboy. I wasnt sure if the B25's had actually been modified for the landings, but you confirmed it for me.
Theres some substantial differences between the -J and -B models though. A stripped down -B model still might be strong enough (conjecture on my part) with some modifications.
You know a bit about aircraft structures, so do you have any idea if an aircraft with a high wing mounting like the B25 would be weaker in the center section for high "G" loading in the vertical plane? Im curious on why naval aircraft designed for carriers have low wing designs and not high wing designs.
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:...
2nd you still have not admitted that the B-25 would require modification and strengthening to land on a carrier. I am waiting for you to say that we are all correct and an apology in order for the people that know about working on aircraft and you discredit for it.
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:I am telling you that it would require more than likely some extenise structural strengthening. You can not just drill a couple of holes in the skin and bolt up an arrestor hook and not damage the structure of the aircraft from the forces of the landing.
Now having said that, I have not worked on a B-25 but I do work on aircraft and have an understanding of what it takes. I wish you would understand that and realize that there are people on this forum that know what they are talking about.