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Interesting that the same thing happened to the Vickers Valiant when it was moved to low altitude roles (and it caused the premature retirement of the type).
And taught Boeing more about large swept wing design with pylon mounted engines than anyone else in the world knew, or would know, for years to come.In the case of the B-47 the Boeing designers combined the new swept wing technology that George Schairer had found in Germany with thin laminar wings. The thin wings were completely unnecessary and not used in the subsequent B-52 yet they complicated the design, created aeroelasticity problems and structural issues.
AFAIK they never completely fixed the problem throughout the life of the plane. The Dog Sabre lived up to its name from beginning to end. One of my mech school instructors, a retired career fighter pilot and Sabre veteran of MiG alley, (2 tours) spent over half his career in various versions of the Sabre (including a USN/USMC exchange tour in Furies) and hated his two years in the "Dawg" as the low point in his career. Even worse than his tour in C124 Globemasters or his tour as an interceptor squadron liaison officer at SAGE. "I was always an "eyes out" fighter pilot. Never had any use for that scope dope stuff. Even that sorry excuse for a fighter plane, the F94, hauling a clueless sergeant RO around in the back seat, was better than the Dawg! At least it had a 'burner and an engine that would stay lit. Never had much use for overweight swept wing gliders and windmilling airborne relights"The statement "teething problems" seems to make me wonder if they were able to rework the intake...
As long as I'm not the one jacking this thread, I read a long time ago that the "best" version of the F-86 was a Canadair variant. Just wondering.
There was an Australian version with an Avon, CAC-27 Avon Sabre with twin 30mm Aden guns and almost twice the thrust. 60% of the fuselage was altered to fit the shorter wider Avon.That's always been my understanding. The Mk6 version with the Orenda 14 engine of 7,500 lb thrust.
There was an Australian version with an Avon, CAC-27 Avon Sabre with twin 30mm Aden guns and almost twice the thrust. 60% of the fuselage was altered to fit the shorter wider Avon.
Just looked up the CAC-27. Cool airplane.There was an Australian version with an Avon, CAC-27 Avon Sabre with twin 30mm Aden guns and almost twice the thrust. 60% of the fuselage was altered to fit the shorter wider Avon.
We had an Avon at mech school. Hard to imagine a Sabre wrapped around that fireplug.60% of the fuselage was altered to fit the shorter wider Avon.
And taught Boeing more about large swept wing design with pylon mounted engines than anyone else in the world knew, or would know, for years to come.
You do pay a penalty in the form of extra stress as the props rotate through the wing wake. The flight handbook has graphs of the forbidden ranges of airspeed and rpm. (AN 01-5EUG-1, "Flight Handbook USAF Series B-36H Aircraft," 1953)
AFAIK they never completely fixed the problem throughout the life of the plane. The Dog Sabre lived up to its name from beginning to end. One of my mech school instructors, a retired career fighter pilot and Sabre veteran of MiG alley, (2 tours) spent over half his career in various versions of the Sabre (including a USN/USMC exchange tour in Furies) and hated his two years in the "Dawg" as the low point in his career.
With a redesigned intake duct, an engine with a little more oomph and a little more tolerance of Intake turbulence, it might have been a world beater. Oh yes, and a lighter weight more compact electronics package would have helped, too.Great info. Funny thing was, give a dog a different designation, tweak the internals a bit and sell it to your allies, with one of them putting it into production to boot, as NATO common equipment and voila! the F-86K becomes a standard NATO all-weather fighter!
Maybe get rid of the front armor and fool with the CoG a little bit and...oh, wait...With a redesigned intake duct, an engine with a little more oomph and a little more tolerance of Intake turbulence, it might have been a world beater. Oh yes, and a lighter weight more compact electronics package would have helped, too.
Alright, enough already! We "Groundhog Warriors" are embarrassed enough as it is. You don't have to rub it in!Maybe get rid of the front armor and fool with the CoG a little bit and...oh, wait...
I doubt the electronics would have been negotiable, but what kind of changes could have been made to the intake duct?With a redesigned intake duct, an engine with a little more oomph and a little more tolerance of Intake turbulence, it might have been a world beater. Oh yes, and a lighter weight more compact electronics package would have helped, too.
I've heard of the Featherweight modifications, but I don't know any details of them. If it's declassified, please post what you find.The B-36 Featherweight program, classified for many years, did not use the J-47 pods as I remember.