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Actually, even back in electron tube days, the second generation of a system was often lighter and more compact than the original, as long as designers could resist the urge to cram in new features.I doubt the electronics would have been negotiable, but what kind of changes could have been made to the intake duct?
If I recall the F-86's radar had some new features built into it to reduce workload.Actually, even back in electron tube days, the second generation of a system was often lighter and more compact than the original, as long as designers could resist the urge to cram in new features.
It was an S-duct.I'm no expert on intake ducting, but my understanding is that the Dog Sabre's intake was not the straight shot down the throat of the compressor that the "open mouth" Sabres had, due to the bend around the radome.
For a jet that's going to be expected to maneuver at near-sonic speeds and has an engine fussy about intake flow, that's got to be a problem. The fine points of airflow turbulence and compressibility in ductwork were still being worked out on sliderules in those days, and before the advent of variable stators, the range of airflow conditions compressor blades could handle without stalling was relatively narrow.It was an S-duct
With one jet pod (or any two piston engines) inoperative, the weight necessary to bring service ceiling down to sea level is more than 550,000 lb.
You aren't the only one. I was a B-36 prop mechanic and flew in it a lot. The props had their own oil supply which had to be serviced after every flight. So when they had an RON, a prop man had to go along.I just saw this thread, and had to go all the way through it. I am probably the only person on the forum who has actually flown in the B-36. I was stationed at Wheelus AFB, in Tripoli, Libya 1954-1955. I made two flights on the B-36 as an observer (non-crew). Both times we went from Wheelus to somewhere over Europe, then turned around and came back by a different route. I thought it was an enjoyable plane to fly in. On the down side, on both flights we had to shut down the #3 engine. First time for overheating and the second time for a pitch control failure of some kind. The plane flew just as well without it !
As for the pros and cons of the plane, as in the discussion of the thread, I honestly don't know that much about the technical aspects of the plane.
Charles
That's what I was talking about. The aircraft was usually trimmed with a positive angle. I'm not an engineer, but when I was flying in a B-36, that's the way it was.And how about trim?
I haven't ever seen quantitative papers or books about this design decision, but qualitatively speaking it's more or less as you said. The B-36 specification heavily emphasized long range and thus cruise performance. As a rule a pusher configuration will be more efficient in cruise, subject to considerations like rotation on take off, which might force the pusher prop to be smaller diameter to clear the ground on rotation. However in B-36 case they found that pusher was definitely more efficient in cruise. Some early concepts leading to the B-36, and some wind tunnel models even, had push-pull nacelles or conventional tractor nacelles. but the designers believed pusher would win, and at least at the state of the art in wind tunnel testing at the time the tests proved them right.
The disadvantage of pusher is not so much that wing downwash will actually make it less efficient net, but the vibration considerations of uneven flow, not only wing downwash in cruise, but also the engine exhaust stream flowing through the prop. These were issues with the B-36 which had flight restrictions related to prop vibration. Also, besides the cruise configuration, the wing interaction issues become more serious with flaps down. Note in photo's of B-36's even fully extended flaps are continued right in front of the props. And also in low speed flight, the tractor prop helps generate lift which the pusher doens't to the same degree. And then there's more potential for FOD from stuff thrown into the props by the main gear; again see B-36 photo's: the main gear legs are within the radius of the inboard props.
Re: B-47, can't see how it could be compared to the B-36 in practically any way. The whole concept of its use was different, relying on friendly bases close to the USSR (many B-47's were homebased in CONUS, but practically speaking would need staging bases in Allied countries, even with aerial refueling). And it was an example of much more advanced state of art. The planes shared the J47 engine, but those were just an add on to the B-36, rather than the engine techology around which the B-47 was designed. And the B-47 was close enough in speed to enough of the Soviet interceptor force to make large scale B-47 nuclear raids essentially unstoppable (and there were lots of B-47's), even if groups of subsonic MiG's could intercept a single B-47 as they proved in certain RB-47 intrusions into Soviet territory or nearby. Although, even the B-36's capabilities were adequate to make the US nuclear deterrent credible v the USSR into the late 1950's. It's one thing to shoot down a bomber or cause a few % losses per sortie and make a conventional bombing campaign too costly. It's quite another to shoot down enough planes to make a nuclear attack's results tolerable: that was extremely difficult to do, requiring almost perfection for the defense and giving every advantage to the offense.
Joe
Featherweights used jets. They got rid of gun turrets, insulation and "crew comfort" items. I'm not sure what else.The B-36 Featherweight program, classified for many years, did not use the J-47 pods as I remember. Now I will have to look it up.
"Holy fireball, Batman, that's max gross for a Fokker F27!"It's the Mark 17 Thermonuclear weapon that weighs 45,000 lbs.
With all due respect, the B-36's design and specs dated to '41 with it's original completion date by '45 (it was delayed and finally first flew in '46).I had to page through the entire thread to make sure that no one posted this. It's the thing that the B-36 was designed to haul. It's the Mark 17 Thermonuclear weapon that weighs 45,000 lbs. They built the Peacemaker around it, just like they built the A-10 around the 30mm cannon. The B-36's bomb bay is like a banquet hall. It is vast. They duplicated it in the B-52.
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With a bomb that powerful, does the plane that dropped it have any chance of surviving the kaboom?
Early jet engines tended to be a little fussy about smooth airflow into the face of the compressor, and would sometimes compressor stall or flame out just from the wakes of bullets or cannon shells leaving the nose guns. The early axial flow versions were especially susceptible to this.
Mk 17 yield was 15 megatonnes.One of the reasons the Soviets didn't replicate the Tsar Bomba was because it was too risky for the bomber. I don't know how powerful was the Mk17, but it is, surprisingly, possible for a bomb to be too powerful. The Soviets decided that line was crossed with their Tsar Bomba. I think the USAF (perhaps surprisingly) figured it out before building one.
One of the historical mysteries surrounding the 36, why the B-60 was never produced.
the 36 was and is my favorite bomber ever since the first time a viewed Strategic Air Command. (at 8 years old)