Snautzer01
Honourably banned
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- Mar 26, 2007
Some airframe to take in consideration. Early and with good pilots and doctrine still worth in 1942-43. Nothing changed still valuable. Ask the Fins about this one.
Best Aircraft UNDER 1000hp
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1st Sergeant
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- May 13, 2018
The Avia B534 SrsIV certainly would would have bested the Gladiator, Fiat C.R.32, and be an even match for C.R.42 and the early, low powered monoplanes in the same way as the Ki-27 was against the Tomahawk, Buffalo and early Hurricanes. The Germans considered it good enough for a fighter trainer as well as putting a hook on it and performing land based carrier trials in anticipation of using them on the Graf Zeppelin. Obviously the plan advanced to Bf 109T just as the sea Hurricane replaced the Sea Gladiator. Since we are playing "what if" with no timeline specified, my choice is the Avia for the all around lowpowered fighter. Thankfully there was only one DB 601 C.R. 42 so my chance of finding it is remote.
Clayton Magnet
Staff Sergeant
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- Feb 16, 2013
Why do you suggest the B534 would have "certainly" bested the Gladiator? I don't know very much about either aircraft, but a quick wiki comparison shows their relative performance to be quite similar.
Shortround6
Major General
Make sure you include the climb performance in the comparison.
Just to confuse things the B-534 and some of the others had variable pitch props (perhaps constant speed?) while the Gladiators did not.
The Early B-534s had fixed pitch props but the later ones did not.
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1st Sergeant
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That's why I specified Series IV. I don't intend to fight Wike pilots.
Clayton Magnet
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kitplane01
Airman 1st Class
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- Apr 23, 2020
In what way does a P-36A outperform a very early Zero?
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kitplane01
Airman 1st Class
- 132
- Apr 23, 2020
Hi,
I think that the original poster may have been referring to the Zero not entering service till around mid 1940
Mitsubishi A6M Zero - Wikipedia
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ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
re Lysander
What category is difficult to say.
The Lysander was primarily designed as an Army Cooperation aircraft, with excellent STOL capability (it had automatic full span leading edge HP slots interlinked with the HP trailing edge flaps) and would not stall under normal flight conditions. In addition the design included being stressed for dive bombing, and the Lysander was cleared for 79° dives (VNE of 300 mph IAS) with 2x 250 lb bombs, or upto 12x 20 lb bombs, or various other combination. Used for Army Cooperation duties (ie gunfire spotting and liaison), as well as light attack/bomber, reconnaissance (usually only 1x camera, but some used upto 3x cameras), maritime patrol (sometimes with ASV), SAR (w/air droppable life rafts and emergency supply kits), ASW (w/depth bombs, sometimes with ASV), ELINT (with various signal recording devices), and clandestine duties with both the British SOE and American OSS.
It had a design TOGW of ~6000 lbs in the Army Cooperation role, but operated at weights upto 10,000 lbs in the clandestine roll when carrying supplies and/or agents. Effective ROA was ~300 miles with normal 95 Impgal internal fuel load, and upto 700 miles when fitted with the 150 Impgal centerline LR tank - both conditions with reserves. Vmax was around 220 mph.
What category is difficult to say.
The Lysander was primarily designed as an Army Cooperation aircraft, with excellent STOL capability (it had automatic full span leading edge HP slots interlinked with the HP trailing edge flaps) and would not stall under normal flight conditions. In addition the design included being stressed for dive bombing, and the Lysander was cleared for 79° dives (VNE of 300 mph IAS) with 2x 250 lb bombs, or upto 12x 20 lb bombs, or various other combination. Used for Army Cooperation duties (ie gunfire spotting and liaison), as well as light attack/bomber, reconnaissance (usually only 1x camera, but some used upto 3x cameras), maritime patrol (sometimes with ASV), SAR (w/air droppable life rafts and emergency supply kits), ASW (w/depth bombs, sometimes with ASV), ELINT (with various signal recording devices), and clandestine duties with both the British SOE and American OSS.
It had a design TOGW of ~6000 lbs in the Army Cooperation role, but operated at weights upto 10,000 lbs in the clandestine roll when carrying supplies and/or agents. Effective ROA was ~300 miles with normal 95 Impgal internal fuel load, and upto 700 miles when fitted with the 150 Impgal centerline LR tank - both conditions with reserves. Vmax was around 220 mph.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
The Lysander is also way cool.
cherry blossom
Senior Airman
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- Apr 23, 2007
Surely the Westland Whirlwind would be competitive for a twin. Perhaps the Ambrosini SAI.403 Dardo might also be considered.
buffnut453
Captain
Ahhhh...the immortal Bleriator.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Don't forget the Sack AS-6 (240hp) or the Horton H.VII (2 x 236hp).
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