Best Nightfighter of WW2
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Lightning Guy
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- Apr 29, 2004
The black P-38 with the radar under the chin is a P-38M, a direct conversion from a P-38L-5. I have read of two P-38s in the PTO having radar installed in a modified drop tank and seen a picture of another P-38 with a radar fitted in the nose with YAGI-style antenas projecting from the sides. The P-70 was junk which is why the mechanics in the PTO started field modifying P-38s in the first place.
MP-Willow
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I am still bothered with why the US was so far off the pace in addopting and developing nightfighters?
Erich
the old Sage
MP-Willow, there were not enough Mossies and Beu's to go round even in the Med in 1943. When the assault on fortress Europe evolved the US forces had to do something quick and that was get as many P-61's into flight. although tested somewhat against the approacing V-1's the crews and a/c had not had the chance to prove themselves over Europe and in the ensuing battles it was proven that the P-61 in the ETO could not handle the multi-night missions perfoprmed by units like the 422nd and 425th nfs that had abundant crews. in fact in late 44 and into 45 there were sometimes 3-4 different crews flying the same P-61 on nightie-missions. The poor P-61A's were almost flown to a wreck before some B's variants came on board. this was always a complaint of the 3 ETO squadrons that there was never enough equipment to do the job.......
Lightning Guy
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The F6Fs did very well and so did the F4Us. They Army actually asked that they be assigned control of some of the Navy night-fighter squadrons since they were having more success that the P-61s.
MP-Willow
Staff Sergeant
Thanks all. LG I really like that Picture of the Lighting!
With the poor P-61 in great need of help was there any reason why the production could not be amped up? Say slow production of the P-40 and get the Black Widow into the numbers it needs. But please remember the P-61 was the first try at a night fighter from the start. Now the F7F was much better, shame it was on the carrier sailing to fight when the war ended.
With the poor P-61 in great need of help was there any reason why the production could not be amped up? Say slow production of the P-40 and get the Black Widow into the numbers it needs. But please remember the P-61 was the first try at a night fighter from the start. Now the F7F was much better, shame it was on the carrier sailing to fight when the war ended.
cheddar cheese
Major General
the F7F, that was the tigercat yes?
that would've been good, any info on it?
that would've been good, any info on it?
Lightning Guy
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Grumman F7F-3 Tigercat
Type: Fighter
Crew: 1, Pilot
Armament: four 20mm cannon, four .50 cal machine guns, optional torpedo, 1000 lbs. bombs
Specifications
Length: 45' 4" (13.82 m)
Height: 16' 7" (5.5 m)
Wingspan: 51' 6" (1.68 m)
Wing area: 455 sq. ft (42.27 sq. m)
Empty Weight: 16270 lbs (7378 kg)
Gross Weight: 25720 lbs
Propulsion
No. of Engines: 2
Powerplant: Pratt Whitney R-2800-34W
Horsepower: 2100 hp each
Performance
Range: 1200 miles (1932 km)
Cruise Speed: 222 mph (357 km/hr)
Max Speed: 435 mph (700 km/hr)
Climb: 4530 ft/min (1380.68 m/min)
Ceiling: 40700 ft (12405 m)
Type: Fighter
Crew: 1, Pilot
Armament: four 20mm cannon, four .50 cal machine guns, optional torpedo, 1000 lbs. bombs
Specifications
Length: 45' 4" (13.82 m)
Height: 16' 7" (5.5 m)
Wingspan: 51' 6" (1.68 m)
Wing area: 455 sq. ft (42.27 sq. m)
Empty Weight: 16270 lbs (7378 kg)
Gross Weight: 25720 lbs
Propulsion
No. of Engines: 2
Powerplant: Pratt Whitney R-2800-34W
Horsepower: 2100 hp each
Performance
Range: 1200 miles (1932 km)
Cruise Speed: 222 mph (357 km/hr)
Max Speed: 435 mph (700 km/hr)
Climb: 4530 ft/min (1380.68 m/min)
Ceiling: 40700 ft (12405 m)
cheddar cheese
Major General
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MP-Willow
Staff Sergeant
LG I thought the Tigercat could carry 2,000lbs of bombs? I will look it back up.
It was a good plane used in Korea, but it would have been a great help in the Marine landings in 1956 on Japan. 8)
It was a good plane used in Korea, but it would have been a great help in the Marine landings in 1956 on Japan. 8)
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Major General
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- Dec 20, 2003
i wouldn't be suprised if a plane like the tigercat could take more than 1000lbs, perhaps that was just the normal payload??
Erich
the old Sage
why, why, why the Mossie and whcih varaint ? you are not giving reasons and it would be nice to know for all the forum members.........
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Lightning Guy
Master Sergeant
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The Tigercat could carry considerable more. I believe that is supposed to be 1000lbs bombs not 1,000 lbs of bombs.
Reasons for the Mossie would include it performance, its availabity in numbers, and its success.
Reasons for the Mossie would include it performance, its availabity in numbers, and its success.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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- Dec 20, 2003
durability, ease of manufacture...............
Erich
the old Sage
ah this was suppose to be fired at Stuka gents ! Durability ? ah not in a dog fight it wasn't. when hit it splintered to pieces when hit in the tail area.
have accts. of Me 262's hitting the Mossie at night and they just vaporized....... Eeeeeeeeeeeeek .................
have accts. of Me 262's hitting the Mossie at night and they just vaporized....... Eeeeeeeeeeeeek .................
MP-Willow
Staff Sergeant
I would agree that the German cannon and HE rounds seemed to play a big part in downing allied aircraft. If only US fighters used more cannon early
MP-Willow
Staff Sergeant
Ok I did not clear up the F7F question it is 2x1,000lbs bombs one under each wing. It could aternitly carry one torpeado on the centerline.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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the only cannon they were interested in early on was the 37mm, nod great for dogfighting as we've established somewhere......................
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