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This is rather a misconception.From what I've read, the MiG 23/27 were dogs, good at pencil-line speed, but unable to follow almost anything in a turn and liable to stall out mos' skosh.
Try to learn history first. Read the article "Metamorphoses of Combat Training of Soviet Fighter Aviation in the Postwar Period" in three parts ("Aviation History" magazine in Russian, 1995-1996, IIRC), where the participants of the events (all the authors are colonels of the Soviet Air Force, pilots of the 1st class) describe in detail the evolution of Soviet air combat tactics, as well as the realities of the 1521st Center for Combat Employment. Do not try to pass off your fantasies as immutable truths.Rewriting history again... The MiG-23 of the MLD modification could not conduct and win an air battle with the new MiG-29. Even with young pilots.
Метаморфозы боевой подготовки советской истребительной авиации в послевоенный период
Авторы:
полковник авиации военный лётчик 1-го класса Игорь Карташев,
канд. воен. наук полковник авиации военный лётчик 1-го класса Зиновий Никитин,
лауреат Государственной премии полковник авиации военный летчик 1-го класса Пётр Черныш.
....
Забегая несколько вперёд, необходимо отметить, что жизнеспособность подобной тактики была подтверждена впоследствии, когда на вооружение частей советской фронтовой истребительной авиации стали поступать самолёты 4-го поколения. В немалой степени благодаря владению подобными навыками, марыйцы, летавшие на МиГ-23МЛД, неоднократно успешно «били» проверяемые полки, сражавшиеся на куда более совершенных МиГ-29(!), хотя исход поединков между этими машинами на первый взгляд был предопределён...
The development of the MiG-29 began within the scope of the PFI (Future Frontline Fighter, ПФИ=Перспективный Фронтовой Истребитель) program.The MiG-29 was created as a fighter to gain air superiority.
MiG-23 was initially developed as an interceptor with limited maneuverability, and then it was painfully converted into a front-line fighter. From the same source:the MiG-23 was created as a front-line fighter
Your ideas about the history of Soviet aviation are very naive and superficial.Об эпопее по освоению в войсках перехватчика МиГ-23, усилиях, затраченных на то, чтобы превратить этот самолёт в полноценный фронтовой истребитель, и понесённых при этом потерях и говорить не стоит, так как это тема отдельной крупной работы
Nope. "MiG-27" was just another official designation of the serial MiG-23BM.The prototype of the MiG-27 was the upgraded MiG-23BM.
Simply because you don't know history well enough.and why should I learn history
He's a historian, not an empty talker who doesn't know much about aviation history, replacing it with propaganda clichés.Like Zubov's "aviation historian".
You don't seem to understand the difference between theory and practice very well. The pilots at the Mary were practitioners. And the opinion of _three_ combat training inspectors of the General Staff of the Air Force is much more valuable than yours.And I studied according to the recommendations of the Central Research Institute-30.
You shouldn't start it at all.I've finished the discussion.
The rudeness started here:It's a shame you can't share your information without also sharing your rudeness
And I'm just paying in the same coin.Rewriting history again...
The rudeness started here:
And I'm just paying in the same coin.
But somehow you didn't notice the rudeness of my opponent.
It's me who has to descend to their level. Have you failed again to notice who was the first to leave the boundaries of academic discussion? It is typical modern Russian propaganda to claim a rewriting of history when it comes to the flaws, mistakes and crimes of the Soviet system.It's odd how so many of your interactions descend to this level.
You're absolutely right. But I am too emotional and can't always hold back. I apologize to anyone who was disgusted by this "discussion".Actually, you don't have to descend to "their" level.