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Yesterday the score was 11-0 for the Ta152, today it's 12-0?
Several sources indicate that 100 P-72s were ordered into production only to be cancelled because of changing priorities and the advent of the jet which would have been a wise move for Germany if only they could protect their airspace.
You tend to represent could-have-been German aircraft as viable arguments but dismiss allied could-have-been aircraft.
The fact of the matter is that, if there were no jets and the war continued, none of the advanced German prop planes would have flown very long without significant challenge, just like it had always been.
12 to 0 is counting a previously unconfirmed P-51 Mustang shot down, I just forgot about it, Erich has the details.
As for the Ta-152 flown by aces, could you list them please claidemore, I'm really interested to see wether all were aces and had recieved the knights cross... But by the same token German fighter pilots were by 44 mostly rookies with little flying time.
And as for engine weights, relying on Wiki again are we Claidemore ??
Oberstleutnant Fritz Aufhammer was the official Kommodore but was mainly an administrator. From III Gruppe came Willi Reschke, Herman Stahl, Josef Keil, Sepp Sattle, Christoph Blum and Heinz Gossow and from JG 300 came Walter Loos.
III Gruppe pilots of note who transferred to the Stab JG 301 were Fw. Willi Reschke, Uffz. Christoph Blum, Ritterkreuzträger Ofw. Heinz Gossow and Staffelkapitän Oblt. Hermann Stahl all of 9. Staffel, along with Sepp Sattler and Josef Keil of 10. Staffel. Keil was to achieve ‘acedom’ on the type. Former Sturmjäger Walter Loos, who had previously flown alongside Walther Dahl in the Stab JG 300 during the summer of 1944 and had achieved some thirty victories also transferred in. In the last weeks of the war both he and Reschke were awarded the Ritterkreuz. Given the number of Knights Cross holders flying Ta 152s at the end of the war some writers have considered the Geschwaderstab of JG 301 to be something of a crack unit..
The fact of the matter is there were jets. By the time the XP-72 flew for the first time, even USAAF jet programs had completed their first flights, which I guess contributed to the decision not to pursue the project. Jets were simply the better solution to the problem.
The point was: Simply quoting displacement / hp doesn't tell you everything about the respective aircraft performance nor does it translate into technical superiority.
Anyway we really need to get back on topic here...
So far we have the authentic Clmax figures for all a/c, which means we also have the Cdi. We also have the Cd0 figure for the Spitfire 109, but we still need the Fw-190 P-51's.
But we do also have performance figures to look at and help us judge the approx. drag of the a/c.
Claidemore no Ta-152H was shot down in combat, when will you ever get that ? Stop relying on Wiki for your information. I have Reschke's book and Reschke never said what is written on Wiki, the guy who wrote the story on Wiki completely distorted what was said in the book. But I shouldn't have to tell you this as Bada already provided a scan of the section where Reschke describes the incident.
Sattler crashed for unknown reasons, Reschke seeing him just dive and crash, and this was long before the flight even came close to area where the dogfight would take place.
Because Reschke saw him dive out of formation crash in the trees below, and for no apparent reason. Therefore it could be either a mechanical malfunction, not uncommon as a number of Ta-152 had crashed because of this before, or it could be something to do with Sattler. For all we know he could've had a heart attack..
One thing is for certain though, Sattler was not shot down.
F/Lt. Sheddan of 486 Squadron recorded in his Combat Report for 14 April 1945:
I was flying pink 1 on a weather recce of the Perleberg – Ludwigslust area, when just west of Ludwigslust, whilst pulling-up after attacking a train I saw a silver colored a/c at deck level flying due north.
My own height was 2000 ft and I dived down behind it and gave chase followed by the other 3 a/c of my section. When about 700 yards from it I recognized it was an F.W. 190. The 190 did not take any evasive action and I closed to a 100 yards and opened fire with one second burst in dead line astern.
I saw large pieces come away from the wings and fuselage and I pulled out to port of the 190 and slightly above. Looking back I saw the starboard wing of the 190 drop and it rolled on its back, hit the ground and exploded.
I claim 1 F.W. 190 Destroyed.
Cine Camera used. 117
If it was it would seem that it was a pilot kill, as there was no smoke/trailig fluids/ debris seen by the other 152 pilots, and of course, no bail out.