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I am confident the accuracy has improved a lot with the creation of each new device. The equipment we used during WWII was advanced for that period but obsolete by today's standards.This has to do with bombers on both sides of the Iron Curtain from late 1945 to 1965...
I was curious about how accurate they were in comparison with WWII-era designs owing to different navigational methods (you have to make it to the target to bomb it), and differences in bomb-sights, computational devices, airspeeds, and altitudes
They were also dropping different shaped bombs in a different way. I have seen video of WW2 bombs being dropped out of the bomb bay. Some are corkscrewing down and in general the "stick" of bombs spreads and disperses because they were basically blunt cylinders with a crude flight fixed behind. Later bombs were much more aerodynamic and likely to follow a path that the Norden or other sight programmed for.I am confident the accuracy has improved a lot with the creation of each new device. The equipment we used during WWII was advanced for that period but obsolete by today's standards.
Hitting a bridge from altitude was very difficult. On one mission our target was a railroad bridge and we failed to destroy it. The Montgomery smoke screen had drifted into the area which didn't help but when sighting the bridge the cross hairs in the bombsight were larger than the bridge appeared over the river.Immediately post-war, probably no better than immediately before the end of the war. After the post-war cuts and the military budget increases, probably starting in '47 or '48, the training standards for the bomber crews may have improved but with nuclear weapons there was probably a lot of "we've got atomic bombs; we don't need to aim."
I suspect that accuracy didn't start to improve until after Korea and the realization that nuking everything wasn't an option. Even after that, I think that it's somewhat evident that unguided bombs were not that much more accurate in 1965 than 1945: hitting a bridge was still a matter of chance.
Hitting a bridge from altitude was very difficult. On one mission our target was a railroad bridge and we failed to destroy it. The Montgomery smoke screen had drifted into the area which didn't help but when sighting the bridge the cross hairs in the bombsight were larger than the bridge appeared over the river.
How many bombs were dropped by Valiants onto Stanley airbase in 1982? What ordinance was used.
The attachment doesn't really display right in quotes, but it basically saidVickers Valiant....
I'm curious honestly what they mean by "too fast for it", while I do remember people saying the bomb would fall for several miles from high-altitude, the horizon would be visible (if I recall right) from those distances provided you could aim the scope forward enough to see the horizon: The only obstacle I could think of would be the amount of time to stabilize for the bomb-run (28 seconds for B-24's Sperry Bombsight, and 30 seconds for the Norden), though I would have figured they could have improved that feature, as the Mk.XIV and it's evolutionary descendants formed the heart of the RAF bombing systems throughout the 1950's and early 1960's, and was able to compute an impact point in 10-seconds, factor in for gradual climb and dive, and could take bank angles of up to 60-degrees without tumbling (and considering it used a Sperry gyroscopic system, it might have shared some similarities with the gyros on the USAAF's Sperry bombsight, which would allow it to be either caged, or something similar -- you could turn it off and maneuver the plane; then turn-it back on, spin it up, and resume), and was able to be coupled to a radar-bombing system.The technology of the Norden sight soldiered on into the 1950s, as did the C-1 autopilot (the AFCE/SBAE automatic flight control equipment/stabilized bombing approach eqipment). Eventually bombers went too fast for it and the advent of thermonuclear weapons made precision irrelevant.
The beauty of dropping a single bomb is that the CEP and mean-radial error are identical.After years of the quest for precision, and at least $1.5 billion spent on various bomb sight projects, 'Dave's Dream' a Norden equipped B-29, aimed a Fatman bomb at the USS Nevada near Bikini atoll in July 1946, in perfect conditions, from 29,000 feet. It missed by 2,130 feet, but with a yield of 20 kilotons it hardly mattered.
So the error would be much lower if he didn't screw up so badly?The developments in sighting, particularly in radar would, you would think, make bombing more accurate. In May 1956 a B-52 dropped a thermonuclear weapon from 40,000 feet using the latest radar/sighting technology. It missed by 19,000 feet, more than three and a half miles, but in this case a yield of 3.75 megatons again made the need for accuracy moot. This one was blamed on the bombardier!
Actually, as far as I know the biggest conventional weapon we ever built was the T-12 Cloudmaker: It was 54" in diameter, 338" in length... it could only be carried by the B-36 and a modified B-29.
Yeah, pressurized crew-compartments are big.Technology wise, the B-29 was a real advance over everything before it, creating a far more comfortable environment for its crews, which made it easier to do their respective jobs.
The radar mapping and bombing's been something of a source of confusion for meObviously ground mapping radar and advanced positioning sensors developed toward the end of WW2 aided bomber development considerably and, as a result, accuracy improved (said without benefit of the provision of evidence, but it can be assumed, from what has been said here thus far).
I actually never really heard many stories about the pilots who flew the Tu-4's, but it does make sense that they would find many of the features the plane had (periscopic gunsights, a centralized ballistic computer, a radar bombsight) to be extremely difficult to learn how to master compared to what they had before.When the Soviets built the Tu-4, it introduced a level of complexity they had never experienced and from what I've read, initially they struggled with it
I know almost nothing on the Tu-16's systems honestlyaircraft like the Tu-16 were considerably more advanced than what they would have been had the B-29 not been copied, with US technology often 'improved' on by Soviet scientists to suit their needs.
The aircraft were that closed to retirement that they didn't have enough spare parts?As for Black Buck raids, XM607 dropped its load using H2S, also to find its way to the target area, as well as Delco Carousel inertial navigation sets pilfered from British Airways VC-10s to get from Ascension to the Falklands.
Those are ground-based right?The Argentinians used US made TPS-43 search radars and to counter these
The idea of carrying AGM-45's is a nice idea -- the plane can directly shoot back at radar sources.Vulcans were fitted with Dash Ten jamming pods scavenged from Buccaneers on their wing pylons, as well as Black Buck flights flown with Shrike anti-radar missiles loaded onto the Vulcans' underwing pylons.
The Valiants were only operational around a year right?...On the subject of Valiants, it's worth noting that the type was used during the Suez crisis against Egyptian airfields with uneven success. Bombing was done from 40,000 ft visually at night as the NBS sets had not yet been fitted to the aircraft.
The Egyptians had the Vampire, MiG-15, MiG-17, and MiG-19 right?Canberras were used for target marking as well as bombing, aiding the Valiants, but post raid recon found that damage to the airfields was only minor, although Egyptian aircraft were put out of action. Only one Valiant was reported as being intercepted, by an Egyptian night fighterwhich fired on the bomber, but was evaded using heavy manoeuvring.