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The same was said about the Mosquito's 57mm molins gun. A 6 round capacity is hardly efficient for any aircraft.
Groups of these bad boys were mounted on twin engine bombers in the Pacific and were able to blow holes through the sides of Japanese destroyers
A story about the M2 .50 as told to me by a friend who served in Iraq. Car drives through the stop point at a camp obviously a suicide bomber. A US Humvee opened up at about 700 yards with its M2 brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm car dodges left and right and carries on brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm car is now about 350 yards away still dodging everyone watching is now looking for places to hide behind brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
car dodges left and right but hits the concrete blocks about 100 yards from the gate and rolls into a ditch with the engine revving madly. bbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....BOOM car explodes M2 gunner whoops punches the air and gets a medal. My friend decides to keep well away from the camp walls and sends in a transfer request to somewhere with fewer suicide car bombs.
Sorry i was referring to the Mossie/B-25 fire rate, which while a/c like the B-25 could carry up to 21 shells. An attack run left the aircraft very vulnerable as only 4-5 shells could be fired off at one time. Then it was the unfortunate job of the navigator to manhandle more into the breach/gunbay. These kinds of large calibre bombers were simply not effective and pilots did not like flying them. Im not 100% about the Mossie, but there is no way 21 75mm rounds that could be fired none stop, and even if there was the barrel would be toast/bent to hell and backThe Mosquito Tsetse carried 25 rounds of 6 pounder 57mm though I have seen claims it carried 28 rounds, possibly the magazine was 25 but 3 more could be loaded 1 in the breech 2 in the loading mechanism.
The shell plating on a Destroyer was thin Mild Steel you could poke a hole in it and maybe kill or wound some crew but the Destroyer will still be sailing and fighting. As .50 rounds would break up when hitting water there would be no holes below the waterline so all you are really doing is improving the ventilation a tiny bit.
RAF Coastal Command Beaufighters and Mosquitos had a heavier armament than the .50 equipped US attack bombers but they never managed to sink anything bigger than a wooden Trawler with gunfire alone.
I dont mean to make light of the situation but at 350 yards one wonders where that guy learnt to shoot.....A story about the M2 .50 as told to me by a friend who served in Iraq. Car drives through the stop point at a camp obviously a suicide bomber. A US Humvee opened up at about 700 yards with its M2 brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm car dodges left and right and carries on brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm car is now about 350 yards away still dodging everyone watching is now looking for places to hide behind brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
car dodges left and right but hits the concrete blocks about 100 yards from the gate and rolls into a ditch with the engine revving madly. bbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....BOOM car explodes M2 gunner whoops punches the air and gets a medal. My friend decides to keep well away from the camp walls and sends in a transfer request to somewhere with fewer suicide car bombs.
The Mosquito Tsetse carried 25 rounds of 6 pounder 57mm though I have seen claims it carried 28 rounds, possibly the magazine was 25 but 3 more could be loaded 1 in the breech 2 in the loading mechanism.
They had piles of the Vickers .50 sitting around, and the Browning M2 was still unreliable on a wing mount. They skipped the .50 because cannons proved to be superior.I think the Brits went from their .303 to cannons because they never seemed to have that big machine gun round.
They had piles of the Vickers .50 sitting around, and the Browning M2 was still unreliable on a wing mount. They skipped the .50 because cannons proved to be superior.
The .303 Vickers as NEVER used where the pilot (or crewman) could not get to it in case of a jam.
This doesn't appear to be true, looking at the early Blenheim, Battle and Gladiator.
50 caliber or 20mm, you still have to hit the target to kill it. (My apologies if this was just a war story and not a '50 BMG is ineffective on Toyota's' story)
The punchline to the story, the GIs on the gate had guided Anti Tank Missiles the next day.
Sorry i was referring to the Mossie/B-25 fire rate, which while a/c like the B-25 could carry up to 21 shells. An attack run left the aircraft very vulnerable as only 4-5 shells could be fired off at one time. Then it was the unfortunate job of the navigator to manhandle more into the breach/gunbay. These kinds of large calibre bombers were simply not effective and pilots did not like flying them. Im not 100% about the Mossie, but there is no way 21 75mm rounds that could be fired none stop, and even if there was the barrel would be toast/bent to hell and back
The Germans had a great respect for the 6pd in the Mosquito. It was very accurate and often used to attack the bridge or AA guns from a distance. The RAF were also keen on them but the rocket was very capable of sinking a small ship which the 6pd wasn't so the emphasis was switched to the rockets and the use of the 6pd wasn't extended
True, but the idea was to stop the target from being there and to do that, the RAF found the rocket to be more effective against shipping. Now had the RAF faced large formations of B17 type bombers, then the 6pd would have really been an interesting optionOf course, the other shoe is that a big gun, like the 6-pdr on the Mosquito or the 75 mm on the B-25 is always there, but rockets aren't.
Im not so sure about rockets being effective against aircraft/bomber formations. Didnt the Luftwaffe try that on US day bomber sorties? From what i've read it wasn't all that successful or even practical. A bit haphazard with mixed results. Not to mention aircraft loaded up with rockets and heavy canon were meat on the table for escorting fighters.True, but the idea was to stop the target from being there and to do that, the RAF found the rocket to be more effective against shipping. Now had the RAF faced large formations of B17 type bombers, then the 6pd would have really been an interesting option