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Please state your facts that show that Germany felt they were taken hostage? Communist propaganda does not count either...
yes there was rioting and protests but I don't believe the same option was open to students in the WarPac countries . The students were probably more interested in trying to obtain jeans and Beatle music .Those facts are well known to everyone - numerous anti-nuclear protests in Western Europe in late 70th and early 80th. The question is who were those people - students, houswives or just some left-wing pacifists. And an anti-military protest was not necessarily anti-american or anti-soviet. The main objective was a complete removal of intermediate range nukes from Europe and that was acheived by signing a treaty at the end of 80th eliminating this class of missles.
Hello D.A.I.G,
there were strong antiamerican ressentiments in Germany indeed. Remember all those demonstrations against the stationing of US troops in Germany etc. I know quite a lot of German students from my Austauschprogramm and they are not that proamerican either.
Those facts are well known to everyone - numerous anti-nuclear protests in Western Europe in late 70th and early 80th. The question is who were those people - students, houswives or just some left-wing pacifists. And an anti-military protest was not necessarily anti-american or anti-soviet. The main objective was a complete removal of intermediate range nukes from Europe and that was acheived by signing a treaty at the end of 80th eliminating this class of missles.
yes there was rioting and protests but I don't believe the same option was open to students in the WarPac countries . The students were probably more interested in trying to obtain jeans and Beatle music .
Hey Stasoid, did you catch this Fashion show in Moscow back in the 80s. Given the options, I can see where an invasion of the west be a good idea!
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va_IIOKYl6M
Agree. But I dont believe that the silent majority of western europeans have ever enjoyed having nuclear missles placed in their backyards either. It's obviouse that type of weapon didnt make them feel safer in any way.
stasoid said:It would be nice to hear a Frenchman or German's who remembers that time, opinion on that matter.
From what I have read, the Soviets didn't put their subs in the Atlantic that often. Not the boomers. It was a mistake of the west to think the Russian sub fleet operated on the same strategic basis as the Nato navies.
My understanding is the Soviets knew of the SOSUS line and the strong probability of their sub fleet being tracked once they passed Iceland. As such, they usually didn't send their boomers south.
Hey Stasoid, did you catch this Fashion show in Moscow back in the 80s. Given the options, I can see where an invasion of the west be a good idea!
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va_IIOKYl6M
That depends.Just because some people protest does not mean that they speak for a whole country. There are protests against homosexuals on a daily basis in the United States. Does that mean that everyone in the United States is anti homosexual?
I lived in Germany during that time, did you?
It may not have, but that again does not prove your theory. Your theory is only an opinion of what you think the truth to be.
So my opinion does not count on it. At the time I held a German passport, and I still have lived in Germany for the majority of my life.
Thanks...
That depends.
As I suggest, you lived mostly in South Germany. Well I spent much time in Berlin both West and East and I tell you what. There're more centrists and lefties that you can ever imagine, then and now. What was the quote of the SPD and PDS during the last elections? 60 or 70 percent I believe? Guess how proamerican those voters are?
That depends,really..
Ramirezzz said:in other Germany, yes, quite a long time.
OK, let it be just my theory.
And you opinion counts, of course, ... among other opinions.
Fact is though that a minority can not speak for a whole nation, and an opinion is not fact.
Thats also a fact but then the silent majority went to the polls with more then one viable option and the majority ruled the weapons were there . I recall when the initial cruise missle tests were flown in Canada and when the USAF guys recovered the unit it was plastered with" refuse the cruise stickers "Agree, but on the other hand, that silent majority of ordinary people who never participate in any kind of organized protests or rallys wouldnt be automaically counted as pro- nuclear/military/american etc... either
2. While you are entitled to your opinion, and believe me when I say that I want to hear your opinion. An opinion however is not fact so please do not call it fact...
agreed. lass uns dabei belassn.
But do you really know the true German, or do you only know the Germans you chose to surround yourself with?
and what exactly is the true German ? or the true Russian or American?
I knew Germans of pretty all social levels and they expressed pretty various opinions.