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I think they are at the end of their supremacy for large scale conflicts, along with nuclear submarines, whose reactors have reached the limits of their silencing capabilities. Future conflicts will favor those navies who are close enough to the scene to deploy ultraquiet diesel boats.We may find out in not too long whether aircraft carriers are still relevant, or if they are the Battleships of our era.
That's an incorrect analysis of Darwin. Don't know if that's based on a single day or what, but this is a more complete analysis
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Those are analysis of KB single strikes , including the Darwin raid.
There was many more than one Darwin raid... the article I posted is the history of the main, (I think the only?) P-40 unit which was actively involved in the defense of Darwin, the 49th FG, from March to August 1942. The same unit went on to New Guinea where they continued to encounter both A6M and Ki-43 with increasingly positive victory ratios, using more or less the same aircraft (P-40s).
KB = Kido Butai, the IJN fast carriers.
Is there some reason to assume that their fighter squadrons were more lethal than the ones flying from Formosa or say, the Tainan Kōkūtai on New Guinea?
The topic of the OP was comparing the Theaters - Pacific with Med, and North Atlantic too. Narrowing it down to one raid seems like a cherry pick ...
He also showed one F2A combat, one P-40 combat, and two Hurricane. Which again, looks like consciously sifting to find just the right dataset.
The topic of posts 141/142 was a comparison of the KB raids at Darwin, Ceylon and Midway and was a logical extension of the current discussion in the thread. Your shifting the discussion to comparing carrier raids to twin engine bombing campaigns is more than a bit apples to oranges.
That is completely disingenuous and laughable. He tried to narrow the focus to divert attention from the poor record of the Hurricane and Fulmar fighters against the Japanese. I could also add the Spitfire to that but I'm kind of convinced that most of the problems they had at Darwin were organizational and maintenance related - though the short range of the Spit also was a factor.
The issue is comparing the Theaters for the overall Naval Air War. Specifically the performance of fighters and strike aircraft came up. Cherry picking one specific attack to the exclusion of dozens of others is more than a bit dubious. Just face the reality and move on. The Hurricane couldn't handle combat with the A6M. It had it's day, that day was just two years before Ceylon.
You continually shift the discussion rather than actually replying to the posts 141/142. Your reply was this:
"That's an incorrect analysis of Darwin. Don't know if that's based on a single day or what, but this is a more complete analysis
The USAAF 49th Fighter Group over Darwin: a forgotten campaign | The Strategist
The count was 19 fighters lost vs. 19 enemy aircraft lost ( 1 x Ki-46, 7 x A6M and 12 x G4M bombers). They actually did a lot better than the Spitfires."
So you tried to shift the discussion from KB carrier raids to a land based TE bombing campaign.
The Darwin raid on 19 February 1942, was comprised several waves of aircraft from the Akagi, Hiryu, Soryu and Kaga: A6M, D3A and B5N as well as land-based G3M and G4M bombers.
Subsequent attacks were conducted both by IJN and IJA aircraft.