Corsair vs Zero

[Lightning Guy]

The pic is of a cannon armed Corsair. A -5 I believe.

 

[The Jug Rules!]

Someone just opened a can.....

Ha Ha Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

 

[Cougar]

True...

That pic of the Corsair up top must be the cannon armed version???

yea

 

[Anonymous]

You must think all radial-engined aircraft look alike then. Try reading the book "Zero" and you'll find that it was a totally orignal design. And before you knock the Zero's fire power, compare it to the other designs of the times, like the 8 x .303s in contemporary Spits and Hurricanes or the 2 x .50s and 4 x .30s in a contemporary P-40s. The equipping of the 20mm gun was very advanced for its time.

The Type 99 I guns on the orginal A6M2 zero's can hardly be considered advanced. Some japanese sourced indicate that actual RoF of these guns was well under 200 rpm. And they were known frequently to bounce off Wildcats doing nothing more than making a golf ball sized dent in the sheet alluminum. Most Japanese pilots considered them rather useless.

The Zero was no match for the Corsair. Unless the Corsair pilot made a gross error, or got bounced while sleeping, it should beat the Zero consistantly.

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Lunatic

 

[plan_D]

The AVG, RAF and IAF would have met plenty of Zeros though. As Nagumo went around to the Indian Ocean with 5 aircraft carriers and supported Japanese Army movements. The Akagi was attacked by 11 Sqn. Blenheims at one point, obviously supported by either AVG P-40s or Hurricanes (Possibly Buffalos)

 

[Anonymous]

The AVG, RAF and IAF would have met plenty of Zeros though. As Nagumo went around to the Indian Ocean with 5 aircraft carriers and supported Japanese Army movements. The Akagi was attacked by 11 Sqn. Blenheims at one point, obviously supported by either AVG P-40s or Hurricanes (Possibly Buffalos)

I don't think it was the AVG. I don't think they ever encountered a Zero.

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Lunatic

 

[plan_D]

Well, I don't know for sure but in 'Burma - The Forgotten War' by Jon Latimer, it states that the an AVG Squadron was posted to Burma (which it was) and saw service against the IJN while they supported Japanese Army movements.
While defending Rangoon they, with RAF Hurricane Mk. Is and Buffalos, shot down some 17 Japanese planes. Counting some as Zeros, most as Bettys. While only losing two P-40s and some Hurricanes. I'll go find the proper story, when I have time.

 

[cheddar cheese]

yes but if you ask someone to name the most famous jap and us fighter from the pacific they will proberly say the corsair and zero.........

Or the P-38, or maybe even the Hellcat.

But in truth if you asked a normal person that question, theyd say the 109 and a Spit

 

[R Pope]

There were, like, 15 Zeroes sent to inland China for evaluation purposes in the proper time frame to have encountered the AVG, so an encounter was possible.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

if they even knew about the 109............

 

[cheddar cheese]

Ok then, just "Messerschmitt"

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

that they would have heard of, but they'll just say "the messerschmitt"

 

[KraziKanuK]

There were, like, 15 Zeroes sent to inland China for evaluation purposes in the proper time frame to have encountered the AVG, so an encounter was possible.

Don't think so.

FIRST COMBAT

The Third A.V.G. squadron moved to Rangoon on December 12, 1941, to join the R.A.F. in the defense of Rangoon. The First and Second squadrons flew from Toungoo to Kunming on the afternoon of the 18th. The first combat for the A.V.G. occurred over southern Yunnan Province on December 20, 1941. In their first combat, a combination of the First and Second Squadrons, shot down nine out of ten Japanese bombers with a loss of one A.V.G. aircraft. The second engagement brought the Third Squadron onto action over Rangoon on December 23, with the R.A.F. flying beside the Tigers. The total haul of Japs was six bombers and four fighters. The R.A.F. lost five planes and pilots and the A.V.G. lost four planes and two pilots.

The first sorties by the 15 pre-production A6Ms was on Aug 19 1940 of the 12th Kokutai led by Lt Tamotsu Yokoyama escorting 54 G3M2s to Chungking. No opposition was met until the 4th mission flown on the Sept 13 1940 when I-15s and I-16s of the CAF were spotted and engaged.

 

[Lightning Guy]

I don't think the AVG ever encountered Zero's. The resulting 23rd FG would certainly have come up against them though.

And from Robert C. Mikesh's book on the Zero . . . "The Type 99 cannon was a very large calibre weapon to be used on the Zero at this time when compared to the world standards. True, it did have its shortcomings in low muzzle velocity and slow rate of fire, but reports of these cannon rounds hitting their targets and exploding brought a much higher total in kill records than if the lighter armament had been used as some proposed."

 

[lesofprimus]

The AVG never had any combats with the Zero...

My Grandfather flew Corsairs in the Pacific and said that the Zero was totally outclassed by the F4U....

 

[Cougar]

You must think all radial-engined aircraft look alike then. Try reading the book "Zero" and you'll find that it was a totally orignal design. And before you knock the Zero's fire power, compare it to the other designs of the times, like the 8 x .303s in contemporary Spits and Hurricanes or the 2 x .50s and 4 x .30s in a contemporary P-40s. The equipping of the 20mm gun was very advanced for its time.

And if you want to discuss the Zero vs. the Corsair, check your info. The Corsair was powered by a R-2800 Double Wasp which intially delivered 2,000hp though late-war models had this up to 2,850hp with water injection. The R-4360 Wasp Major to which you refer was only fitter to the F2G the grand production total of which was exactly 10 units with no combat time recorded.

sry about the wrong info, jus did this from memory next time ill reasearch im not knocking the zeros fire power but compared to 6 50 cals they are small,
and im not reading a whole book on the zero

 

[Cougar]

You must think all radial-engined aircraft look alike then
lol, no our s2r thrushes dont look like any raidal aircraft but a t6

 

[Anonymous]

Well, I don't know for sure but in 'Burma - The Forgotten War' by Jon Latimer, it states that the an AVG Squadron was posted to Burma (which it was) and saw service against the IJN while they supported Japanese Army movements.
While defending Rangoon they, with RAF Hurricane Mk. Is and Buffalos, shot down some 17 Japanese planes. Counting some as Zeros, most as Bettys. While only losing two P-40s and some Hurricanes. I'll go find the proper story, when I have time.

I suppose it is possible, but I seem to recall someone showing (on another forum) that the AVG never faced the Zero.

Oscars were frequently mis-identified as Zero's, especially early in the war.

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Lunatic

 

[Chocks away!]

I think a well flown zero could face just about anything. even though obviously the corsair was more advanced.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

well a determined japanese ace in a zero could take on anything really.............