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Anyway, none of this really applies to Curtiss given they didn't have a major stake in the carrier borne fighter arena.
A dedicated R-2600 (probably with provisions to be adapted to the R-2800) powered fighter would have made more sense from a land-based fighter perspective too, but adapting the P-36 airframe has a ton of disadvantages. The V-1710 and R-1830 (particularly the 2-stage version) would seem the best potential new developments to go with in the 1939-1941 timeframe.True but the P-36 used a prop not much bigger than 10ft and had 8 3/4in clearance. A number of people have suggested a P-36 with the R-2600 while "waiting" for the R-2800 powered planes. Without wide cord blades it really wasn't going to be practical. The wide cord blades showed up. But by the time they did the R-2800 powered planes were in production.
There was also Bell's XP-52 and XP-59 projects canceled in part to divert resources to the XP-59A jet project. That design seems like it might have been less troublesome than the likes of the XP-56 and XP-55 but certainly could have just ended up one more failure. The more conventional P-63 of course fell behind the P-51's development and failed to address any sorts of long-range requirements. (the XP-59 still seems interesting in that it might have actually converted well to the J33 later in development -size and pusher arrangement of the R-2800 would seem to fit well if the tailplane was repositioned, Vampire/Venom style, and perhaps made for interesting competition to the XP-80 project)Several things can be drawn from this time line. One was that Don Berlin's leaving from Curtiss had little to do with the down fall of the company. Another is that in 1939/1940 the Army wasn't interested in more "interim" fighters, it already had the P-39 and P-40 as interim fighters to tide them over until the P-38 and P-47 got going. They were interested in, and funding, a new generation of fighters. ALL of which fell fell on their asses, leaving them with improved P-38s, P-47s and the outsider the P-51.
Several things can be drawn from this time line. One was that Don Berlin's leaving from Curtiss had little to do with the down fall of the company. <SNIP>
Do you infer that Curtiss was doing very well before and after Don Berlin left and that his exit had no effect?
Or do you mean that Curtiss was already sliding downhill well prior to Don's exit?
Bell had a good deal different problems, and the Aracuda had most of the same problems as the Kampfzerstorer concept. (had Bell aimed more at a heavy fighter/interceptor like an early predecessor to the P-38, it likely would have been a different story -hell, even aiming at mounting twin M4 cannons in the nose should have been more realistic than those manually-loaded pods ... 15 round link belts like the early P-38s used, I believe a more compact arrangement than the 30 round endless loop type belts used on the P-39)Curtiss and Bell had the much same problems.
Most of the Curtiss designs were remarkably like the P-36 up to and including the XP-46 and even the XP-60 was similar but adapted to a radial. They never seemed to come up with something fresh.
Bell's designs were remarkably similar to one another. The Airacuda, Airacobra, King Cobra, and the XP-59A were all very similar airrames structurally and in terms of a lot of other characteristics.
It was more the aerodynamics of the control surfaces that allowed better high-speed control rather than structural limits.The P-40 was a bit altitude and power challenged as well as heavy. But the robust standards did give it good dive acceleration and superior roll performance. Through the early China and desert campaigns these attributes –with the appropriate tactics- gave it the ability to best the best of the opposition. With certain pilots, this seems to be true also in the Soviet theater.
It was the USAAC that refused to fun Allison's supercharger development and was initially even reluctant to introduce the 8.8:1 medium altitude supercharger gearing. (rather than only producing the low-altitude/turbocharger optimized 7.48:1 gearing)To Curtiss's discredit, it, as well as Bell, politicked during the original design against a bulkier, more cumbersome properly boosted Allison for fear of it compromising their sleek designs. 15,000 was thought to be more than adequate.
Commonwealth use in North Africa and possibly the PTO noted use of overboost as well, but this was in the context of the P-40E and K and in the 66-70" boost range, with the latter only possible at sea level. 60-66" at low level seemed to be the more useful limit though I believe Allison formally limited the -73 of the P-40K to 60" and 56" on the older -39. It just took several years to get those official ratings. If the USAAC/AAF had been under the same pressure as the RAF from 1939 onward, it might have changed things somewhat but even pre-war the USAAC had tended towards more conservative design constraints.It made a good 1100 - 1200 HP for a long time and later got to 1,325 - 1,600 HP. People were actually USING it at 75" MAP and getting good power, but only in the Soviet Union and China with some of the guys in the AVG, such as General (Ret.) Davey Allison (no relation to the engine company at all). He said he demonstrated the P-40 at 75" MAP regularly. In the standard USAAF, people mostly stayed within the factory limits.
Is any of that done with the F series engines that lacked the additional counter weighing on the crankshaft? (I think it was the G series that introduced 3200 RPM take-off)The Allison CAN make power and CAN turn WAY faster than 3,000 rpm. The tractor pull guys turn them at 4,600 rpm and they don't break .... but it's for a short time. Aircraft engines have to run for the entire mission. So ... a P-40 pilot COULD turn it faster ... up to about 3,600 rpm ... at which point he would be close to stretching and maybe losing the prop due to breakage, not to mention possible sonic issues. Had the Allison been cleared to 3,400 rpm in normal service with an attendant gearing change to account for prop speed, the power would have ratcheted upward a bit.
Given the P-40 had both more space for fuel from the start and a larger margin for structural strength along with good aerodynamic qualities, I'd even argue it would have seen significantly greater gains than the Spitfire's engine evolution. (it'd stay a heavier plane, but the gradual weight creep would likely make up a smaller percentage of overall aircraft weight leaving the 1945 P-40 and Spitfire variants much closer in overall weight than the 1940 ones)Had they thrown a 2,100 HP, 2-stage Merlin into one with NO other changes, it would go from 360 mph to 426 mph with nothing other than the power increase at the same altitude and faster up higher. Change the aerodynamics a bit and give it a better prop (necessary) and the top speed may have been quite competitive with the great fighters of the war. It could NOT have done any harm for the climb rate either.
The P-39 actually got 4-blade props on some of the later production models but seemed to cope poorly with the added torque ... not good on a plane with finicky spin characteristics. The P-40 might have handled it better, though. (being a heavier and generally more stable aircraft)They also would have HAD to abandon the Curtiss Electric 3-blade prop for a better unit ... but that's another post.
Don Berlin left Curtiss in December 1941.
Was that a large reason for the fall of Curtiss?
Don Berlin left Curtiss, according to his son, when he wasn't allowed to "develop" the P-40 into a better fighter. His son does a very good presentation that generates a lot of questions. I've seen him at the Planes of Fame, but there were a LOT of people asking questions and we volunteers know that the public comes first. When questions were over we went out and flew our P-40N for the crowd.
Don Berlin left Curtiss in December 1941.
Was that a large reason for the fall of Curtiss?
According to one author (Joe Mizrahi - Wings. Volume 25 No.2) Donald Berlin's (described as a difficult man to work with) departure from Curtiss was not the reason for the fall of Curtiss. Curtiss was falling slowly well before this due to administrative problems...
If the customer says that is the airplane he wants, was it up to Curtiss to say "NO, you are wrong, we won't build it" ?